Abortion

[hunterj1]

I have a friend who got an abortion. She refuses to admit that she did anything wrong. Will she go to Hell forever?

 

[2ndRateMind]

No one knows, and don't let anyone persuade you that they do. Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Bellicus]

I don't think the bible mention unborn babies in other words than they are "a nothing" (Ecclesiastes)

 

[exxxys]

No, she will not go to "hell" forever. She exsercised a constitutional right, and there is no sin in that. Its sad that she had the abortion, but she has rights. Rights which you can neither understand as a man or respect. So get over it.

 

[hunterj1]

No, she will not go to "hell" forever. She exsercised a constitutional right, and there is no sin in that. Its sad that she had the abortion, but she has rights. Rights which you can neither understand as a man or respect. So get over it.

What's your problem? I'm not trying to be sexist if that's what's coming across.

 

[YourChild]

you're kidding me right? did you know that in the spiritual realm, demons feed their energy off from wicked deeds? abortion is one of them.

Somewhere in the Book of Jeremiah, it says that the person's grave could have been his mother's womb, which means that the earliest point of human death, according to the Bible, is in the womb. This is done through abortion.

Jeremiah 20:17
Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.

Don't be fooled by those who go by society's rule and excuse it as a constitutional right. that's what the devil uses to camouflage the murdering of babies - he calls it, "a constitutional right." The Bible calls it murder.

as for your friend, if Jesus Christ is not her Lord and Savior, then she needs to repent of all of her sins and invite Him into her life.

the good news is that God's mercy is big and wide and He will forgive her of her sins if she repents of it. John Newton who wrote the song, "Amazing Grace" was a slave trader and murdered 20,000 people before he got saved.

 

[Rajni]

I have a friend who got an abortion. She refuses to admit that she did anything wrong. Will she go to Hell forever?

Well, if one subscribes to the partialist belief that a certain portion of mankind winds up in "hell", then they should at least realize that no one can judge where someone ultimately ends up at the end of their lives. But, regardless of what one believes about "hell", Christians generally can agree that our our salvation is based on the work of Christ on the cross, not on our personal performance.


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[exxxys]

What's your problem? I'm not trying to be sexist if that's what's coming across.

My problem is that I'm sick of people not respecting someone else's rights. There is nothing wrong with abortion, and I think someone up a few posts even mentions that the Bible does not say a thing about abortion!

Women have rights, and a fetus does not have the right to inhabit someone's body without their permission. Sounds harsh. But isn't outlawing abortion and forcing hapless women to shove knitting needles up into their uteruses harsh? Does that not disgust you, that until the seventies, this happened? Women DIED because a safe abortion was not available to them. So much for respecting human life.

 

[Holy Roller]

Will she go to Hell forever?

In a handbasket...

 

[Holy Roller]

My problem is that I'm sick of people not respecting someone else's rights. There is nothing wrong with abortion, and I think someone up a few posts even mentions that the Bible does not say a thing about abortion!

Women have rights, and a fetus does not have the right to inhabit someone's body without their permission. Sounds harsh. But isn't outlawing abortion and forcing hapless women to shove knitting needles up into their uteruses harsh? Does that not disgust you, that until the seventies, this happened? Women DIED because a safe abortion was not available to them. So much for respecting human life.

It's gotta be hard to keep up this unrelenting charade of pretending an abortion you had was nothing more than the exercising of a civil right.
The knowing you killed an unborn child; and your own, no less, must indeed be agonizing in the extreme!

For this I have unbounded pity on you...

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

My problem is that I'm sick of people not respecting someone else's rights. There is nothing wrong with abortion, and I think someone up a few posts even mentions that the Bible does not say a thing about abortion!

Women have rights, and a fetus does not have the right to inhabit someone's body without their permission. Sounds harsh. But isn't outlawing abortion and forcing hapless women to shove knitting needles up into their uteruses harsh? Does that not disgust you, that until the seventies, this happened? Women DIED because a safe abortion was not available to them. So much for respecting human life.

I realize your a young girl, so I will refrain from being harsh. But when a woman agrees to let let a man penetrate her and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] inside her, then she has in effect allowed the possibilty of an egg being fertilized and thus a child being born. So ipso facto, the woman has indeed allowed the child to reside inside her Womb.

In the case of rape a very violent crime, the subsequent dismembering of the developing child is a second act of violence, thus the whole viscious cycle of violence begets violence has begun.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I realize your a young girl, so I will refrain from being harsh. But when a woman agrees to let let a man penetrate her and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] inside her, then she has in effect allowed the possibilty of an egg being fertilized and thus a child being born. So ipso facto, the woman has indeed allowed the child to reside inside her Womb.

In the case of rape a very violent crime, the subsequent dismembering of the developing child is a second act of violence, thus the whole viscious cycle of violence begets violence has begun.

Sounds like wisdom to me.

 

[Stinker]

Many Christians have been taught to hijack the passage written by and for Jeremiah, when it comes to how God saw a woman's fruit. They have been taught that this section of scripture is referring to every human fetus that was and ever will be. By reading it it is abundantly obvious that it is referring to Jeremiah only:




Jeremiah 1:4-8 (King James Version)


4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
8Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
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God saw to it that the fruit of a woman He had a miraculous purpose intended for, served that purpose. The passage that king David wrote should come to mind where he wrote how wonderously he was made. However, the fruit was, and is, in God's understanding, the same today as it always was:


Exodus 21:22-25 (King James Version)


22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.



If the woman's fruit depart from her (miscarriages) and the woman does not die, her husband could bring the men before a judge and demand payment. If the man needed a son, the sum demanded could be much. If the woman died due to there fighting, both of the men were to be put to death.

 

[Stinker]

Many Christians have been taught to hijack the passage written by and for Jeremiah, when it comes to how God saw a woman's fruit. They have been taught that this section of scripture is referring to every human fetus that was and ever will be. By reading it it is abundantly obvious that it is referring to Jeremiah only:




Jeremiah 1:4-8 (King James Version)


4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
8Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
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God saw to it that the fruit of a woman He had a miraculous purpose intended for, served that purpose. The passage that king David wrote should come to mind where he wrote how wonderously he was made. However, the fruit was, and is, in God's understanding, the same today as it always was:


Exodus 21:22-25 (King James Version)


22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.



If the woman's fruit depart from her (miscarriages) and the woman does not die, her husband could bring the men before a judge and demand payment. If the man needed a son, the sum demanded could be much. If the woman died due to there fighting, both of the men were to be put to death.

 

[Armistead]

My problem is that I'm sick of people not respecting someone else's rights. There is nothing wrong with abortion, and I think someone up a few posts even mentions that the Bible does not say a thing about abortion!

Women have rights, and a fetus does not have the right to inhabit someone's body without their permission. Sounds harsh. But isn't outlawing abortion and forcing hapless women to shove knitting needles up into their uteruses harsh? Does that not disgust you, that until the seventies, this happened? Women DIED because a safe abortion was not available to them. So much for respecting human life.

We may not know when life begins, but we know when it ends..during an abortion. That's a fact. If you were aborted, your life would have ended there and you would not be here today.

However I agree abortion is not something that can be legislated, because
outlawed or not, it will continue in mass.

Does shoving a needle up a uterus digust me...yes, but I doubt the baby knows the difference between that and having it's brains sucked out. Liberals give unborn animals more rights than humans...really strange.

Maybe women and men should be responsible and use protection...but alas, we have a culture that says do as you please and others will pay for
your irresponsibility regardless. Just keep my tax dollars out of it.

 

[Tissue]

It's easy enough to say that conception is when life begins, but when you actually dig into the science/ethics of the matter, it becomes quite complicated.

Christians argue against abortion because they are anti-murder; but so are those who are pro-choice. It isn't as if they've somehow gotten their judgment clouded. They simply view the matter entirely different. When it comes down to it, no Christian I have ever talked to on this matter has displayed an understanding of the medical and philosophical difficulties surrounding this issue, and have instead argued from the basis of "murder is wrong".

Of course it is.

 

[Atheist Alan]

Murder is of course wrong, but the expulsion of a foetus is not murder. There has been plenty of scientific testing done, and it shows that the foetus does not feel pain up to a certain point, and after this point it is illegal to abort the foetus.

But in all this, it is not the foetus' choice. The choice belongs the mother who will have to raise the child, birth the child, and feed the child. These are all things that the mother takes into consideration before abortion happens. If she cannot do this, or does not feel it is a good idea to do this then the foetus is aborted stopping pain for both after its birth.

There are plenty of cases when not giving birth to the foetus is the better thing. There can be no argument with that.

 

[Tissue]

There is more that defines human life than pain.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

There is more that defines human life than pain.

Spirit...

God says in scripture that he knew us before we were formed in the womb.

Also when Mary was recently blessed by the Holy Spirit and pregnant with Jesus she visited Elizabeth who was pregnant with John the Baptist at about six months. Elizabeth knew Mary had Jesus in her womb and the baby John at 6 months lept for joy. Sounds like Jesus and John were both alive to me. And if God knows us before we are even in the womb then I say life starts at least at conception.

 

[Tavita]

I have a friend who got an abortion. She refuses to admit that she did anything wrong. Will she go to Hell forever?

How do you know she won't repent of her sin in the years to come?

There usually comes a time in a woman's life when she will face up to it. She will also suffer some of the side effects of what she's done, including depression, as the conscience does let itself be known in one form or another.

But don't push the point with her, put her in God's hands and trust that He's able to deal with it. There is always great Hope in God, remember the three.. faith, hope and love.