Abortion

[draper]

HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER,

You have certainly opened a can of worms.... and most of the worms are squirming.

Don't be concerned that your first posting brought such an onslaught of answers, be encouraged that those in the world still need enlightening to the teachings of God.

Just because a government deems that abortion is an acceptable practice does not mean that it is an acceptable practice to God. Governments deem that divorce is acceptable while the Word of God is specific in stating that God hates divorce.

God doesn't want marriage partners separated, by would God want babies separated from their mothers? After all, God created the cord to attach the child to the mother until such time that the child could survive on its own.

~malaka~

You need to come up with a reason why abortion is wrong for those whom do not believe in God.

 

[tcampen]

You need to come up with a reason why abortion is wrong for those whom do not believe in God.

Funny how this post made a very active thread instantly silent. Come on you guys....you gotta have something based on sound reason!

 

[Vylo]

You need to come up with a reason why abortion is wrong for those whom do not believe in God.

It is the killing of a developing human life. It is improper to kill one of your own species that is innocent of any crime.

 

[kdet]

Murder is wrong.

 

[ZiSunka]

Abortion sends the message that human life is disposable.

 

[Blindfaith]

I like that lambslove.

 

[Vylo]

Murder is wrong.

Many do not define most abortions as murder, as young fetuses do not have a developed brain. I however, tend to think it is still just as wrong as murder.

Abortion sends the message that human life is disposable

I agree.

 

[Durango]

Abortion sends the message that human life is disposable.

 

[Knight]

lambslove,

Could you speak up a little. I don't think I got that.


You could also point to the emotional distress involved in a woman having an abortion.

 

[Vylo]

Am I the only pro-life atheist here? lol.

 

[Knight]

Am I the only pro-life atheist here? lol.

I don't know but since you say your a pro-life athiest maybe you can give a satisfactory answer to the request for a non-Biblical reason against abortion.

How did you arrive at your pro-life position?

I'm interested.

 

[Vylo]

I stated it earlier in the thread. I came to my position through concern for my species well-being.

 

[Blindfaith]

Originally Posted By: Vylo

Am I the only pro-life atheist here? lol.

I dunno, but I sure do like it!!

 

[Knight]

Sorry, I didn't see it. I don't always feel like reading through 10+ pages of posts in order to catch up. (Which happens frequently when I don't get on the forums over the weekend.)

 

[tcampen]

It is the killing of a developing human life. It is improper to kill one of your own species that is innocent of any crime.

That's not bad. So does that mean we should extend every right afforded a newborn to the unborn fetus?

 

[JEREMY O'ROURKE]

Life begins at conception. The bible says so. In Jeremiah and in Psalms somewhere. I dont have my bible with me right now. God said he knew us when we were in our mothers womb. Abortions I believe should be legal only if a womens life is in danger. I dont agree with it even in the cases of rape and incest. The reason is because the baby lets not be politically correct here by calling it a fetus. Anyway the baby did not ask to be put in this position and he or she is still precious to God.

 

[Vylo]

Jeremy, while your input is appreciated, we are trying to say why abortion is wrong OUTSIDE of the bible and theistical beliefs, why it is wrong in a secular manner.

That's not bad. So does that mean we should extend every right afforded a newborn to the unborn fetus?

I find it disturbing that many fellow atheist compare unborn children to parasites and chicken eggs in value. An unborn fetus has as much potential if not more then a full grown human, it just hasn't been realized yet. This is one of your own species, one of your own kind, and you are simply going to turn your back on them in what is, in most cases, merely an issue of convenience?

This really does send the message that humanity is disposable, as lambslove said. Just toss it into the garbage if you don't like it.

You can't claim abortion as natural either, I have yet to see any other species abort their children.

This may be one of the few issues I agree with theists on.

 

[tcampen]

I find it disturbing that many fellow atheist compare unborn children to parasites and chicken eggs in value. An unborn fetus has as much potential if not more then a full grown human, it just hasn't been realized yet. This is one of your own species, one of your own kind, and you are simply going to turn your back on them in what is, in most cases, merely an issue of convenience?

This really does send the message that humanity is disposable, as lambslove said. Just toss it into the garbage if you don't like it.

You can't claim abortion as natural either, I have yet to see any other species abort their children.

This may be one of the few issues I agree with theists on.

First of all, I'm not an athiest. Second, I do not consider the fertilized human egg at 32 cells to be just as human as a newborn child. My brother and his wife recently used invitro fertilization to conceive a child. After trying for years, they discovered certain biological factors making conception by natural means extremely unlikely. The invitro process requires fertilizing several eggs and implanting in the woman those eggs with the best chance at survival. It is pretty lucky if one out of four eggs sticks for a viable pregnancy. The rest are lost naturally, just as a large percentage of naturally fertilized eggs are.

I believe this medical process is a wonderful thing, allowing otherwise infertile couples to have children. You, however, would deny my brother, and countless other couples, a child because you equate a newly fertilized egg with a fully developed person. I simply cannot agree that unique genetic identity, without much more, is reason enough to deny infertile couple from having their own children.

However, I most certainly do not advocate abortions whenever one desires, at any point in the pregnancy. But at the same time, I refuse to reduce the issue to the overly simplistic concepts both side too often resort to.

 

[Vylo]

First of all, I'm not an athiest

Ah my mistake but I wasn't really directing that specificly towards you.

Second, I do not consider the fertilized human egg at 32 cells to be just as human as a newborn child.

It is still one of your kind, with just as much, if not more potential then a newborn child.

My brother and his wife recently used invitro fertilization to conceive a child. After trying for years, they discovered certain biological factors making conception by natural means extremely unlikely. The invitro process requires fertilizing several eggs and implanting in the woman those eggs with the best chance at survival. It is pretty lucky if one out of four eggs sticks for a viable pregnancy. The rest are lost naturally, just as a large percentage of naturally fertilized eggs are

Ok, that sounds very interesting.

I believe this medical process is a wonderful thing, allowing otherwise infertile couples to have children. You, however, would deny my brother, and countless other couples, a child because you equate a newly fertilized egg with a fully developed person.

Huh? where do you get that from? You aren't having an abortion, you are creating a child. Why would I have any problem with that?

 

[tcampen]

Huh? where do you get that from? You aren't having an abortion, you are creating a child. Why would I have any problem with that? (invitro fertilization)

The Dr. fertilizes many eggs, perhaps as many as a dozen, yet will only implant, say, the best four, knowing the odds are most will not survive. The remaining eggs are usually frozen for later use, or discarded all together.

But nomatter how you slice it, these are fertilized eggs being created knowing most, perhaps all, will not survive. Some will be intentionally discarded because of their low chance of viability.

Many pro-life advocates equate this process as no different than abortion. I was wondering if you do, too. It appears as tho you do not, which I find curious.