Abortion

[Truncate]

Additionally, some photos of miscarried/spontaneous-ly aborted embryos and foetuses would be "gruesome" as well. But prove nothing.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

prove nothing? I wouldn't go that far, unless you would like to prove that they prove nothing.

 

[Truncate]

The photos prove nothing, because, as I said, you can be shown photos of miscarriages and spontaneous-ly aborted embryos/foetuses that would look "gruesome" as well - does that make the miscarriages wrong and/or murder?

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

uh guys, could someone answer this for me? I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks.

if we start a new life, and life starts at conception, why does Jesus say "born again" and not "conceived again"?

That's one of the other arguments I've heard about when we get our souls

 

[Truncate]

uh guys, could someone answer this for me? I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks.

if we start a new life, and life starts at conception, why does Jesus say "born again" and not "conceived again"?

That's one of the other arguments I've heard about when we get our souls

For the term "born again," you would have to look at it in the original greek and/or aramaic, whichever it was written in. I assume the equivalent to "conceive(d)" is in (anceint) greek, but if not, then the greek word used for "born" in "born again" could have meant "born" or "conceive(d)".

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

yet accidents happen too don't they? a man could accidentally jump off a cliff and on his way down have every organ ripped apart by branches and so on and have the most gruesome body after the accident.

at the same time a murderer could break into a bank and kill everyone, cut off their heads, and spit in the pit.

Does that make cliffs evil? or duz that justify the murderer going around killing people just for fun? it duzn't do either.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

thanks truncate, I'll have to look into that

 

[Truncate]

yet accidents happen too don't they? a man could accidentally jump off a cliff and on his way down have every organ ripped apart by branches and so on and have the most gruesome body after the accident.

at the same time a murderer could break into a bank and kill everyone, cut off their heads, and spit in the pit.

Does that make cliffs evil? or duz that justify the murderer going around killing people just for fun? it duzn't do either.

All of the people in the bank have been given the basic rights of a human, atleast if they live(d) in an advanced society. Look at the clothing and toys sold in so many stores -- made by children in china, india, and other countries -- in very harsh and painful conditions, even worse than most animals receive. Those children are not given basic human rights that are "guaranteed" in the "Western" world.

I am very much against the pain these children are put through, but it just shows that money is what rules the world and the minds of it's inhabitants.

 

[HOTTEST DIGGEDY DOG EVER]

gennao is the word for "born", Nas is the word for "conceived".

 

[Philosoft]

Very well said. Choice is needed.

Thanks, but why I decided those two statements were contrapositives is a mystery. The second is a modal negation of the first.

 

[Knight]

So, if you don't believe that life begins at conception when does it begin?

 

[jayswife29]

I believe life begins at conception, I also don't believe it's ok to punish a child for the sins of their father. I'm talking about rape,& incest. How would you like to be put in prison or on death row for a crime someone else commited, just because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.I don't think a baby should die for the sake of convenience, or because someone commited a crime. Really, I don't go around killing people just because I am annoyed by them, or because I'm having a bad day.And about the question what would we do with these unwanted babies, before abortion was legal, people used the adoption facilities more than they do now, why, because it's more convenient to abort than follow through with something you started.

 

[tcampen]

I believe life begins at conception, I also don't believe it's ok to punish a child for the sins of their father. I'm talking about rape,& incest. How would you like to be put in prison or on death row for a crime someone else commited, just because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.I don't think a baby should die for the sake of convenience, or because someone commited a crime. ... And before abortion was legal, people used the adoption facilities more than they do now, why, because it's more convenient to abort than follow through with something you started.

So what did the rape victim start?

 

[jayswife29]

Sorry, I should have been more clear on my last statement. I was replying to someones response about what would we do with all these un-wanted kids. I wasn't saying a rape victim started anything.

 

[TScott]

1% of abortions occur becuz of rape

If that number is correct that would account for about 13,000 cases a year in the USA.

 

[TScott]

You don't know many mentally retarded people, do you?

Most mentally retarded people grow up to have homes, jobs, children, marriages and even VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS. They are fully-functioning adult human beings. Your statement shows your ignorance about the value of disabled people.

Absolutely true!

 

[TScott]

Don't be concerned that your first posting brought such an onslaught of answers, be encouraged that those in the world still need enlightening to the teachings of God.

Just because a government deems that abortion is an acceptable practice does not mean that it is an acceptable practice to God. Governments deem that divorce is acceptable while the Word of God is specific in stating that God hates divorce.

God doesn't want marriage partners separated, by would God want babies separated from their mothers? After all, God created the cord to attach the child to the mother until such time that the child could survive on its own.

~malaka~

I don't really doubt those statements Malaka, but why in the world doesn't the Bible come right out and say that abortion is wrong. It's a known fact that people were having abortions when the Bible was written, so why doesn't the Bible specifially condemn the practice. There are over 500 specific laws of Yahweh mentioned in the OT of the bible and not one of them is specific to abortion. I have heard some arguements using some of the laws and tailoring them to abortion, however, none of them specifically condemn the practice. The Christian New Testament is even more silent on the subject, which becomes even more puzzling when one realizes that their was very popular scripture that was written that specifically condemns abortion, yet was not selected for canon. It almost appears that the Christian religion has Pro-Choice foundations.

 

[Vylo]

If you say abortion is so terrible, why do you not care about the vast majority of abortions (spontaneous ones)?

Saying a miscarriage is an abortion, is like saying a person falling of a cliff accidently is murder.

You are trying to justify abortion by claiming it is natural

Sponaneous death of adult humans occurs all the time, so is it ok for me to kill them?

 

[tcampen]

Originally Posted By: Malaka

Just because a government deems that abortion is an acceptable practice does not mean that it is an acceptable practice to God. Governments deem that divorce is acceptable while the Word of God is specific in stating that God hates divorce.

God doesn't want marriage partners separated, by would God want babies separated from their mothers? After all, God created the cord to attach the child to the mother until such time that the child could survive on its own.

~malaka~

There needs to be a distinction made here. Just because the law allows a certain practice, does not mean the government is condoning that practice. In America, the Supreme Court deemed that women have a right to terminate a pregnancy without government interference. However, the Court also said that as the unborn child approaches viability, then the state has an increasing interest in protecting that life. States most certainly CAN prohibit abortions in the third trimester, for example - if you examine the cases. Personally I'd prefer there was never another abortion. But I also recognize the difficult philosophical, religious, and legal issues involved. It's a very charged subject.

Divorce is legal also, but I wouldn't say it is acceptable to the government as you imply - as if it's practically condoned. It is true that it is pretty easy to get a divorce these days, perhaps a little too easy, but there is a legal process to go through which takes time. It is the dissolusion of a contract, which is a legal process. But the government does provide specific rights and priviledges only available to married couples, which shows the government has a preference people remain married.

I agree that there should be far fewer divorces, but I wouldn't say it should never occur. There are people married that really should not be. I find it crazy to think any god would believe the 18 year old girl who married into a domestic violence relationship, getting regularly beaten and abused, should be forced to remain in that situation where the husband refuses to correct his ways. I've seen too much of this first hand in my profession, and I totally advocate divorce is such circumstances.

Good post - interesting points.

 

[tcampen]

Saying a miscarriage is an abortion, is like saying a person falling of a cliff accidently is murder.

You are trying to justify abortion by claiming it is natural

Sponaneous death of adult humans occurs all the time, so is it ok for me to kill them?

If abortion really is Murder, then why isn't killing doctors and nurses who perform abortion not acting in defense of the unborn? If any of you were walking down the street with a friend, and a man jump out with a knife and was most certainly going to kill your friend....wouldn't you be justified in killing that attacker before he killed your friend?

If the situation is as grave as so many insist, then it would appear going to jail for taking out an abortion doctor is a small price to pay for saving all those unborn children. And if all those who feel abortion is Murder did this, then no doctor would dare perform an abortion, and the problem would be solved. Right?