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Abortion.
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You are confusing morality with legality. I couldn't care less about your - or anyone else's - morality. I care about legality.
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I know. Your only for the government laws. What I'm saying though is this, what if there were NO government and anything anyone wanted to do, they could do, would murder be ok to you just cause there is no law against it? Of course murder would still be wrong, even if there was no law against it. But knowing it would still be wrong, why is that? I know. It is cause God Almighty has set that already as a common knowledge rule that all men know murder is evil.
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No, murder would not be wrong; it would only be unpopular. Right and wrong do not mean anything. There is nothing that corresponds in the world to right or wrong, other than punishment under the law. If this construct is removed, then it means nothing. You can only argue against this if you're a theist, but then your particular argument becomes circular.
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I don't believe anything is 'wrong'. I don't believe morality is anything more than a method of saying "I don't like that". So murder wouldn't still be 'wrong'. It's not 'wrong' now. It's just illegal, and rightly so.
And no, all men don't know murder is evil. If they did, then there wouldn't be as many murders as there are.
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What is that even supposed to mean. Is that really the best you can come up with?
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So if there was no law and there was no governing rules, then evrything and anything would be ok?
So if the government was gone and all their laws, then I could murder you, being in the right? thats what your belief says.
Wait! This goes against what you've been saying. Why is it rightly so that murder is illegal? You just went against everything you've told me with this comment.
To a murderer it isn't "rightly so", to a murderer it is injust. So what makes you say it is "rightly so"? Perhaps cause you know that whether the government says it is wrong or not you know it is, cause God has placed that knowledge in you.
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You can't have a functioning society when your citizens can rape and murder as they please.
That, under a humanist, secular, atheistic, non-religious, and even under humble religious views, is the sole purpose of laws. Not any religious text.
Not really in the right, so much as it wouldn't matter is a chaotic society with no laws of governing force. It just wouldn't matter, because if he and his family are dead, and no one cares, who's going to judge?
Or maybe I'm wrong, and shouldn't have said anything. Oh well, I still enjoyed typing it. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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I don't know what "everything would be ok" means here. Everything wouldn't be against the law (obviously).
No, my belief doesn't say anything at all about "being in the right". Certainly, you could murder me (whether the government was gone or not), if you are physically able to do so. If the government is present, you might suffer for breaking the law. Either way, I wouldn't like it.
No, I didn't. It is 'rightly so' that murder is illegal because having it be illegal is the best way to run a society. I can't imagine how horrible a society would be if murder were legal, can you? I certainly wouldn't want to live in such a place...it's best for the society that murder be illegal. My saying 'rightly so' meant no degree of moral correctness, but rather correctness from the point of resulting in a functioning society.
No, as above, it's "rightly so" because without it, society as we know it would collapse. Once again, no moral correctness (or incorrectness) is meant or implied.
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If I may just interject about my personal semantic pet hate, legal murder is an oxymoron. If it is legal to kill some one it is by definition impossible for that homocide to be a murder as murder is clearly defined as a unlawful homocide.
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The slides area mesh mash of quotes from medical texts. *Yawn*. I've seen better.
It doesn't really 'prove' anything. I don't deny that the embryo is human, nor that there are organs, brain waves (although I would say that the brain is sufficiently underdeveloped enough that it can hardly compare to the cerebrum of a mature adult).
However, to me, abortion has little to do with murder or death and more to do with the right of a person to control their own bodies. I do not believe that my uterus is the one organ that I have no control over. Even if I believed that the embryo or fetus is a person worthy individual personhood, I would still be pro-choice. Pregancy results in the giving of vital nutrients to another growing entity, it causes significant stress on the human body, why would I want the gov't to assume full legislative capability on something as intimate as that?
It doesn't really 'prove' anything. I don't deny that the embryo is human, nor that there are organs, brain waves (although I would say that the brain is sufficiently underdeveloped enough that it can hardly compare to the cerebrum of a mature adult).
However, to me, abortion has little to do with murder or death and more to do with the right of a person to control their own bodies. I do not believe that my uterus is the one organ that I have no control over. Even if I believed that the embryo or fetus is a person worthy individual personhood, I would still be pro-choice. Pregancy results in the giving of vital nutrients to another growing entity, it causes significant stress on the human body, why would I want the gov't to assume full legislative capability on something as intimate as that?
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