There is the Jewish perspective that should be considered in a Messianic discussion such as this. Would anyone like to share what that is here?
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That is so awsome. I guess two wrongs don't make a right. A woman feels bad enough if she is rapped let alone having an abortion.Gophylann said:
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Zayit said:
c'mon Zayit...you can do it
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I've not an idea of what your talking about...so I wait in anticipation.
Matt James
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Life is precious. I wish every child was wanted and loved. God loves them, but sadly many hearts have grown colder until there is no love left in them. If it is a barometer, then geneocide is not far off. Statistics show the growing phenonomen of the "me" generation and the results will be felt in more than just the abortion arena. Cry out for the abomination of desolation of human life.
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The center of Judaism is Chai, Life. Life is most important, it superceeds even mitzvot, Example, if eating a pork chop is the only food available and you are starving to death, eat the pork chop.
It's all about chai, Life, L'Chaim!
It's all about chai, Life, L'Chaim!
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Zayit said:
Nice, which supports my position that if preventing an abortion means making condoms available then saving the life is "heavier" than preventing potential sexual misconduct.
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As well as Jewish law states:It is well-established that methods that destroy the seed or block the passage of the seed are not permitted, thus condoms are not permitted for birth control.
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Zayit said:
If it prevents an abortion.
If there is not fertilization how can life be "killed"?
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The seed can be viewed as having life.
Andyman, I can see where you are coming from, but this is a pretty clear issue. We either act in a manner that is consistent with HaShem's wishes or we are outside that.
Some sins are considered an abomination, however it is hard to say if HaShem considers stealing worse than unforgiveness for example. Is it our place to judge?
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I believe rabbi's would do just such and excercise with the whole "heavier and lighter" rulings when commands would conflict.
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Intesting post Zayit and CR. Once again, this is a conformation of what I believe and have been taught by my folks. Thanks for that.
I haven't found the latest statistics but in Israel in 1999 there were about 34,000 TOP's. In America there is about 1.3 million yearly. That is huge!
I also know that Austalias number of TOP's is about 100,000 annualy.
I fear that we in the west are living on borrowed time.
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I haven't found the latest statistics but in Israel in 1999 there were about 34,000 TOP's. In America there is about 1.3 million yearly.
That is huge!I also know that Austalias number of TOP's is about 100,000 annualy.
I fear that we in the west are living on borrowed time.
Matt James
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Torah I said something similar to him. It depends on the mother. But it is sad that more children die this way, than from any other.
Just my thoughts. "
my question; what depends on the mother? I thought in judaism, messianic through orthodox, and in Scripture, it depends on the father (unless the wife is disobedient to Yahweh). [Realizing a righteous wife/mother would do anything to save the life of her child if her husband disobeyed Yahweh's Instructions and said to abort.]
Torah I said something similar to him. It depends on the mother. But it is sad that more children die this way, than from any other.
Just my thoughts. "
my question; what depends on the mother? I thought in judaism, messianic through orthodox, and in Scripture, it depends on the father (unless the wife is disobedient to Yahweh). [Realizing a righteous wife/mother would do anything to save the life of her child if her husband disobeyed Yahweh's Instructions and said to abort.]
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