Abortion

[xAtheistx]

Some statistics straight from the horse's mouth:

Nearly half of all U.S. women will have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old.

More than six million women in the U.S. become pregnant every year. Half of those pregnancies are unintended. And 1.31 million end in abortion.

Link

Discuss.

 

[CSmrw]

I don't buy it. Everywhere I look there are children, far too many of them.

 

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Some statistics straight from the horse's mouth:



Link

Discuss.

The horse is delusional, and should be put down.

I would disagree with these stats, as most of the person's who frequent the clinic are repeat visitors. There is no method that would be capable of giving a truthful sample of the U.S. population, whereby, accurate statistics could be generated.

I'll use my own example of having been employed by PP to back up my point.

 

[Martinez]

Some statistics straight from the horse's mouth:



Link

Discuss.

What are we discussing?

the facts?

You just told us what the facts were, what's left to discuss?

 

[hernyaccent]

What is there to be discuss? If 75% of all pregnancy result in abortion it's the mother/ parents business. Unless of course you-general use of the word- are willing to take financial and emotional responsibilty for them.

 

[tel0004]

That would mean 21 percent of people who are pregnent get an abortion. That is much higher than I would have guessed.

 

[xAtheistx]

What are we discussing? You just told us what the facts were, what's left to discuss?

You could discuss the impact of the statistics (e.g. "So? Abortion is cool now." or "WOW that many?" or "They should all be shot dead." etc...). Or their accuracy (as in a previous post). Or, y'know, you could talk about ... *gasp* abortion. If you'd prefer, you can make a thread discussing what you ate for breakfast this morning.

I never really thought people would have a hard time finding something to discuss when a controversial issue is brought up.

 

[DieHappy]

I had oatmeal for breakfast.

What?

Abortion is a blight on our land. Before Roe the number of abortions numbered in the thousands, now it's birth control and the people that support it are the same ones that refuse to take any personal responsibility.

 

[Autumnleaf]

Its bigger than abortion.

My wife and I are going on our on 7th child. We don't use birth control. Everyone I know who has children, most only have 2, plan them according to one form or another of chemical birth control. Chemical birth control prevents fertilized eggs, very young human beings, from implanting and growing into born babies. Pragmatically this is a huge intentional killing off of population. Personally, when I look at the lives of my four youngest, who would probably not be around if my wife embraced chemical abortifacents, I see amazing and interesting people the world would be a poorer place without.

It is ironic the wealthiest countries in the world embrace this sterilized form of mass murder while developing countries abhor it. It seems to take simple people to understand what is inside a pregnant woman's belly.

 

[DieHappy]

It seems to take simple people to understand what is inside a pregnant woman's belly.

Oh, I think they understand all too well. The pro choice crowd knows what they are talking about, but control and power mean more than human life to them.

 

[xAtheistx]

I would never on earth have 7 children. It may be a great choice for you, but I'd jump off of a bridge before having that many children, and so would many women. I don't see it as any blessing on my part to have that many children.

I feel how you do-- except about children in general.

People are a blessing and a curse. Too few, then there's too few blessings. Too many, and there's too many curses. Right now, we have too many.

But I support abortion less than I support murder.

 

[katautumn]

Before Roe the number of abortions numbered in the thousands, now it's birth control and the people that support it are the same ones that refuse to take any personal responsibility.

Not true. The number of legal abortions pre-Roe is smaller than the number of legal abortions performed now. There were more illegal abortions performed then than legal ones today. And as far as not taking personal responsibility, I'm just going to let that one go because I get tired of arguing the "women don't want to face the consequences of their actions" point.

 

[xAtheistx]

So you'd rather people get murdered than be aborted? That makes no sense...

It makes perfect sense. Abortion is murder, except it's BEFORE they're even born. If you're murdered, you've lived somewhat of a life (even if you're a mere child). You've had more satisfaction than those who are subject to "abortion"s... which is really, a euphemism for pre-birth killing.

And it's not your life, so you do not have the right to control another human being because of your opinions.

Following that logic, there should be no laws, because your opinions about what society should be do not matter; you should not be able to control other human beings because of your opinions.

Killing is bad. But killing before they've even taken a breath? That's just wrong.

 

[Autumnleaf]

I would never on earth have 7 children. It may be a great choice for you, but I'd jump off of a bridge before having that many children, and so would many women. I don't see it as any blessing on my part to have that many children. You obviously feel differently and that's fine, but don't relegate the rest of us to making the same choices as you when they so completely and totally do not mesh with our desires for ourselves, our marriages, and our lives.

You seem to think your desires for yourself, your marriage, and your life is more important than the very existance of other people who you helped to create. From my perspective this is selfish to the extreme. If love of your offspring will not move you we can look at this from several other perspectives... Pragmatically, its good to have young people who know and love you when you are old. Spiritually, if God considers abortion murder of babies he might see you as a baby killer.

Let's compare the lifestyles, level of poverty, education levels, crime, levels of health between these countries. Countries that have no means of birth control have higher rates of disease and illness, maternal mortality, less means of education, much less means of support, higher rates of death through curable illnesses or conditions...

Are you suggesting America had higher rates of disease and illness, maternal mortality, less means of education, much less means of support, higher rates of death through curable illnesses or conditions... than other countries prior to 197? when abortion became legalized?

 

[DieHappy]

Not true. The number of legal abortions pre-Roe is smaller than the number of legal abortions performed now. There were more illegal abortions performed then than legal ones today.

You're going to have to prove that one, because I just don't buy it. There is no way that 1.5 million illegal abortions were performed, unless every one of them were actually done more safely than the legal ones of today.

And as far as not taking personal responsibility, I'm just going to let that one go because I get tired of arguing the "women don't want to face the consequences of their actions" point.

I'm talking about responsibility before taking action. You want to put words in my mouth but I've never said they can deal with their "mistakes." I'm saying women should have the self worth to make smart choices which will obviate the need to make hard choices. You want them to act however they "feel" like. Then, there are consequenses, and you can't deny that.

 

[DieHappy]

Why can't I rep you for that?

 

[xAtheistx]

I have my reputation disabled... because I don't care what people think of me.

 

[katautumn]

You're going to have to prove that one, because I just don't buy it. There is no way that 1.5 million illegal abortions were performed, unless every one of them were actually done more safely than the legal ones of today.

I'm not talking about wire coathanger, home abortions. Even in states where it was illegal, most abortions still took place in medical facilities or inconspicuous buildings. Even if it was performed by a doctor in a hospital, it was still an illegal abortion which factors into the bottom line number. I would also like to add, that one third of the states in the US offered legal abortion prior to 1973, but were heavily restricted; however, some people flew in under the radar, citing "health reasons" for terminating a pregnancy. It is impossible to accurately calculate how many of these "legal" abortions were actually illegal, outside of individual state laws. Now, onto the numbers:

It is estimated that before 1973, 1.2 million women resorted to illegal abortion yearly

Now, as far as 1.5 million abortions per year, that's an inflated number. I confess, I didn't visit the link in the OP, but I am curious as to when that information was gathered. According to the CDC, in the year 2000 there were 857,000 abortions performed in the United States. I believe they only collect and compile abortion data once every four or five years.

I am also curious if the percentage rate of pregnanices that end in abortion were calculated keeping in mind the number of pregnancies that end in miscarriage or stillbirth every year. The fact remains, more than half of all pregnancies in the United States, every year, will result in a live birth.

 

[xAtheistx]

Miscarriage and stillbirth are an entirely different story...
I'm sorry if your child dies while it's inside you. That's a sad thing.

The sad thing about abortion, legal or not, is that it is something you have to go out of your way to cause. People knowingly kill the humans growing inside of them. Call 'em fetuses, embryos, a clump of cells, whatever you want... they are on their way to becoming your baby. If you can knowingly destroy your own baby, I can't respect you as a person. No excuses.

 

[CSmrw]

I can't repsect people who make blanket statements regarding other people's behaviors. No excuses.