Abortion

[livingproofGM]

You aren't aware that a woman's body is severely stressed and can be permanently harmed from pregnancy?

And abortions are safer? Tell me, does the natural human process of stress and anxiety give us the right to commit murder? Yes, women can die during a pregnancy, but this does not give us the OK to kill the innocent. Abortion is a selfish option. All you think about is what's best for you, but what about the baby?

And now we see your true reason for wanting to ban abortions...
Pregnancy is punishment for those you believe to be sexually immoral.
What about women that haven't been what you consider sexually immoral? What if she was raped?

If people want to have sex and get pregnant, that's their business. I am against abortion because you are terminating the life of a person who has no say in the matter, blatantly murdering the life of a child, not because people like to have sex. Pregnancy is the result of those who are sexually active, and it doesn't always have to be the result of immorality. Married woman get abortions all the time. If a woman is raped, again, does it give us the right to murder someone? If I was raped I would bring the baby to full term and put him up for adoption if I didn't have the means to provide a decent living for him. We have no excuses.

 

[livingproofGM]

Abortion stance is simple...
Are women just as deserving of the same civil rights as men?
If yes, then they shouldn't be enslaved to another human being.

I'd rather pick cotton for 9 months than carry an unwanted child to term... and that's not even mentioning 18 years of financial enslavement to come afterwards.

If you didn't want the child, you shouldn't have brought the child to life. "Oh, the responsibility of this kid I didn't plan for. Oh, well. I guess we can always kill the thing."

 

[AtheistPerson]

Usually when a young "soon to be" mother is about to have an abortion on reasons of financial issues. I would hate to be brought into a world as an accident, even though the term "******* child" is used to describe me. Thank the doctors for making your life a "living hell" timmy by delivering you and having you live out on the streets.

 

[saami]

How will woman die? And since when do woman have the right to commit murder and men do not?

In states like Texas and Florida it is permissible for a person to shoot and kill another in public if they even fear for their life, welfare or property. Why should not a woman be able to protect her life, welfare or property? How can a stranger make that decision for her?

I speak as someone who had to choose - and very nearly died as a result of giving birth - from a stroke and my daughter - induced to try to save my life very nearly died for being so pre-mature. I was blessed to survive - But I would never force another woman to take the risk I was willing to take.

 

[livingproofGM]

Usually when a young "soon to be" mother is about to have an abortion on reasons of financial issues. I would hate to be brought into a world as an accident, even though the term "******* child" is used to describe me. Thank the doctors for making your life a "living hell" timmy by delivering you and having you live out on the streets.

Abortion might come about because of financial problems. Again, does our irresponsibility give us the right to chose when someone's life will end? I don't think it does. Sure, the child could very well turn out to be poor, possibly fatherless. But that doesn't change the fact that every life is valuable, and we should have no control over the life and death of the innocent.

 

[livingproofGM]

In states like Texas and Florida it is permissible for a person to shoot and kill another in public if they even fear for their life, welfare or property. Why should not a woman be able to protect her life, welfare or property? How can a stranger make that decision for her?

I speak as someone who had to choose - and very nearly died as a result of giving birth - from a stroke and my daughter - induced to try to save my life very nearly died for being so pre-mature. I was blessed to survive - But I would never force another woman to take the risk I was willing to take.

Very few abortions are done to protect the life of the mother, and I don't entirely disagree with those. You and your daughter are very blessed to come out of a situation such as that. I'm sure it was terrifying. I think what makes me the saddest is when the abortion is the result of neglegence on the part of the mother, that she simply doesn't want children, but she'll give them life, then take it away. I knew a woman once who had 7 abortions. Didn't know her that well, but prayed for her often.

 

[AtheistPerson]

Abortion might come about because of financial problems. Again, does our irresponsibility give us the right to chose when someone's life will end? I don't think it does. Sure, the child could very well turn out to be poor, possibly fatherless. But that doesn't change the fact that every life is valuable, and we should have no control over the life and death of the innocent.

I only believe that it is both of the parents choice to spare the life of the fetus. Maybe its just me, but I believe that lives are about as valueable as a housefly if it wasnt for the laws of our government. Why do you think there is still cannibalism in uncivilized countries? As I said earlier its the parents choice not you or anyone elses. Same as I think towards homosexuality in a way.

 

[saami]

Abortion might come about because of financial problems. Again, does our irresponsibility give us the right to chose when someone's life will end? I don't think it does. Sure, the child could very well turn out to be poor, possibly fatherless. But that doesn't change the fact that every life is valuable, and we should have no control over the life and death of the innocent.

we decide that in many other ways as well - when we vote concerning tax cuts but it comes on the back of lower classes. Or we let industry self regulate their pollution - and children died slow deaths because they were born with little or not brain in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. Or we send troops to bomb other countries using delpleted uranium and they come home with "Gulf War Syndrome" - and pass on hideous deformities and genetic flaws to the next generation....

WE ARE BEING IRRESPONSIBLE if we do not correct the situations that face men, women and those babies and lead to abortions that might not have happened otherwise.

Abortion rates have dropped to pre 1973 levels in some parts of the country - and now are rising again with economic distress. 20% of AMERICAN children live in such deep poverty that they go to bed hungry. Stoppingabortions is not stopping death -

 

[chipmunk]

And abortions are safer? Tell me, does the natural human process of stress and anxiety give us the right to commit murder? Yes, women can die during a pregnancy, but this does not give us the OK to kill the innocent. Abortion is a selfish option. All you think about is what's best for you, but what about the baby?

Yes, they can be if her health is on the line. You fail to understand the situation. If Mom is dying this is killing Fetus. Fetus is adding more stress on Mom than Mom can handle--Keep Fetus loose 2 lives. Kill Fetus-- Save 1 life.

Statistically speaking the child of a woman who dies during her term carrying the infant won't survive anyhow. In some cases it is possible to save at least one life.

If people want to have sex and get pregnant, that's their business. I am against abortion because you are terminating the life of a person who has no say in the matter, blatantly murdering the life of a child, not because people like to have sex. Pregnancy is the result of those who are sexually active, and it doesn't always have to be the result of immorality. Married woman get abortions all the time. If a woman is raped, again, does it give us the right to murder someone? If I was raped I would bring the baby to full term and put him up for adoption if I didn't have the means to provide a decent living for him. We have no excuses.

So a raped woman who has already been violated, must continue to be violated by a life she didn't want and wasn't seeking? Who has the right to suck nutrients off another person without their permission? We don't force people to give kidney transplants to save someone else. We shouldn't force a mother to give of her nutrients to save someone either.


No, I don't think it should be used as birth control. That is why I strongly advocate sex education. Do I think there should be controls on abortion? You bet. Should we ban the whole thing though? No. When it's not your life on the line it's easy to make blanket decisions.

 

[loriersea]

How will woman die? And since when do woman have the right to commit murder and men do not?

Illegal abortions are dangerous. We know that, before Roe here and in countries where abortion is currently illegal, women die from illegal abortion procedures. They die alone and afraid, or sometimes they bleed to death in front of their helpless children. I do not want any mother, wife, daughter, or sister to die because we value potential people over actual women.

And, women do not have the right to commit murder while men do not. However, women do have the right to have abortions, which men do not, because men don't get pregnant. But, abortion is not murder. A fetus is not a person, and abortions are not done with malicious intent. A fetus is a potential person, and women have them for a variety of reasons, which are related to the preservation of themselves and their families, not to malice.

Obviously, we should do whatever we can to safely reduce the abortion rate, since abortion is never an ideal option. Avoiding unwanted pregnancies in the first place is the ideal option, so we should focus there. But, outlawing abortion is not a safe way to reduce the abortion rate. First, we have no evidence it actually would reduce the abortion rate, and second, it would put women in danger.

I had pre-eclampsia while I was pregnant, and my pregnancy was a very scary time for me. I had to be on bedrest for months, and if I had had to work to support my family, or if I small children to take care of, I don't know what I would have done. I would not advise someone to choose abortion in those circumstances, but I also know how difficult and dangerous pregnancy can be, and I would not force any woman to be pregnant against her will. I can imagine few things more awful than that, honestly.

 

[livingproofGM]

Yes, they can be if her health is on the line. You fail to understand the situation. If Mom is dying this is killing Fetus. Fetus is adding more stress on Mom than Mom can handle--Keep Fetus loose 2 lives. Kill Fetus-- Save 1 life.

Statistically speaking the child of a woman who dies during her term carrying the infant won't survive anyhow. In some cases it is possible to save at least one life.

I don't entirely disagree with abortions performed to save the life of the mother. If the situation is hopeless and you can save at least one life, go for it. I am against abortions performed due to the selfishness of the woman, like she isn't ready for kids, or she doesn't want to be "enslaved." It was her concious decision to bring that child to life, and she should deal with the consequences. I would opt for adoption in that situation, just as I would in a rape case.

So a raped woman who has already been violated, must continue to be violated by a life she didn't want and wasn't seeking? Who has the right to suck nutrients off another person without their permission? We don't force people to give kidney transplants to save someone else. We shouldn't force a mother to give of her nutrients to save someone either.

It's very unfortuanate when a woman is raped, but when one person (being the rapist) makes a stupid, immoral decision, who are we to go and make one ourselves? And what's this about sucking nutrients? It's the proccess of growth, and the baby needs food, too. Does the child have a choice? It's a natural process. If the person cannot take care of the child and doesn't want it, give it up for adoption.

 

[loriersea]

If you didn't want the child, you shouldn't have brought the child to life. "Oh, the responsibility of this kid I didn't plan for. Oh, well. I guess we can always kill the thing."

Children are a gift, not a punishment. To turn childbearing into some sort of penance and children into punishments disturbs me very much.

 

[AtheistPerson]

Assuming abortion as immoral with the words of a book... ah, but I already made my financial rant earlier.

 

[AtheistPerson]

Children are a gift, not a punishment. To turn childbearing into some sort of penance and children into punishments disturbs me very much.

Yes, a blessing for who?

 

[loriersea]

Yes, a blessing for who?

For those who want them. Obviously, we should not be forced to nurture an embryo to personhood using the resources of our own bodies if we don't want to.

 

[livingproofGM]

But, abortion is not murder. A fetus is not a person, and abortions are not done with malicious intent. A fetus is a potential person

I hate this argument. It really makes no sense. From the moment of conception, the baby has every cell and dna strand that he'll have when he's 35. It grows, but it's not alive... Is the baby a human when he's 6 months? Sure looks like one to me, from the photos I've seen. What about 3 months? A baby is a baby at conception and at birth, a human life with full potential.

 

[livingproofGM]

Children are a gift, not a punishment. To turn childbearing into some sort of penance and children into punishments disturbs me very much.

I thought this is what you were doing....Are children a gift in or out of the womb? You just said that when they are in the womb, they aren't human.

 

[livingproofGM]

For those who want them. Obviously, we should not be forced to nurture an embryo to personhood using the resources of our own bodies if we don't want to.

The miracle of life is a blessing, no matter if you want them or not.

 

[AtheistPerson]

For those who want them. Obviously, we should not be forced to nurture an embryo to personhood using the resources of our own bodies if we don't want to.

Ah, the orphanage may come in instead if we raise taxes a bit more.

Edit: overpopulation...

 

[chipmunk]

I don't entirely disagree with abortions performed to save the life of the mother. If the situation is hopeless and you can save at least one life, go for it. I am against abortions performed due to the selfishness of the woman, like she isn't ready for kids, or she doesn't want to be "enslaved." It was her concious decision to bring that child to life, and she should deal with the consequences. I would opt for adoption in that situation, just as I would in a rape case.

It's very unfortuanate when a woman is raped, but when one person (being the rapist) makes a stupid, immoral decision, who are we to go and make one ourselves? And what's this about sucking nutrients? It's the proccess of growth, and the baby needs food, too. Does the child have a choice? It's a natural process. If the person cannot take care of the child and doesn't want it, give it up for adoption.

A child sucks it's nutrients from it's mother. No, the child doesn't have a choice, but it's not a full person yet either--it's a potential person. *points to loriersea post*

Yes, adoption is a great option. However, there is no way for a mother to ensure that child is really loved. Not all people who adopt are great parents. Some lie on the applications, or believe completely differently than the birth mother.

You seem to suggest there is an overwhelming number of women having abortions for selfish reasons. Just because it isn't the option YOU would choose, doesn't mean they do things selfishly. I have yet to meet a woman who had an abortion for selfish reasons. Life decisions are not always black and white. A few people here have posted why they had abortions. There are a ton of places you can go to hear stories or even pick them up from people you meet. You shouldn't assume they are selfish--even if their reason initially seems so. There is often more to consider than you'd think.