Just as I stated that there is a difference between the two. In short, Eisenhower and I agree on that issue.]Fa||eN[ said:
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Just as I stated that there is a difference between the two. In short, Eisenhower and I agree on that issue.]Fa||eN[ said:He is clearly stating there is a difference between the two, hense the injected choice.
]Fa||eN[ said:The complete acceptance of responsability towards God for the gifts He gave us.
Then you dont believe God has any authority over you? Are you serving your God or is your God serving you? Your logic seemingly implies that an overall truth cannot exist simply because of the possibility of erroneous applications.Seeking... said:Your perception of God differs greatly from mine. I don't see God as a paternal figure. You also must have had a very different childhood from mine. Sometimes a child is the only one who knows what is best for himself, having a child doesn't imbue you with special and secret knowledge of everything you need to know in the world. Part of what damages parent-child relationships is that some parents have the arrogance to believe they intuitively know what is best for their child without ever discussing anything with them...
Theocracy or not, morality exists. Although im pretty sure what you believe to be 'morality' is in fact only socially advantageous behavior fueled by ego.Electric Sceptic said:Lots and lots of pleas regarding abortion being a sin, with bible verses and claims that God says this or that to support it.
Guess what? That's irrelevant. America isn't a theocracy; you do not have the luxury of imposing your notion of what's 'sin' and what isn't on the rest of the country. I know you'd like to have that luxury, but you don't.
]Fa||eN[ said:Then you dont believe God has any authority over you? Are you serving your God or is your God serving you? Your logic seemingly implies that an overall truth cannot exist simply because of the possibility of erroneous applications.
Does your God have a name? Why do you believe in God? What is the purpose of your God? To me he appears to only serve as peace of mind.Seeking... said:God has authority, but it is a moot point since it isn't really something He exercises. God doesn't require or request that He be "served". I don't believe God's true nature or intentions have been revealed to mankind through any religion - so an overall truth could exist, but isn't currently known.
Of course, morality exists. And I'm pretty sure that what EVERYONE, you included, believe to be 'morality' is in fact only socially advantageous behavior fueled by ego.]Fa||eN[ said:Theocracy or not, morality exists. Although im pretty sure what you believe to be 'morality' is in fact only socially advantageous behavior fueled by ego.
Consult any dictionary.]Fa||eN[ said:Could you elaborate on your definition of being a moral being?
Cheli said:This is not a refutation of my argument. In fact, it tells me more about you not having a decent argument to make. Oh, and "selfish party"? Is a rape victim selfish?
jesusfreak3786 said:I am done with this thread, I would just like to say before I go
If I was the President of the United States, or the Queen of England, someone with power, the first thing I would do is make abortion illigal, and the poeple who didn't like it could scream, and yell untill they're blue in the face, I really don't care. Someone has to stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves. Sianora.
]Fa||eN[ said:Does your God have a name? Why do you believe in God? What is the purpose of your God? To me he appears to only serve as peace of mind.
The Queen of England is a figurehead and not involved in law making at any real level.If I was the President of the United States, or the Queen of England, someone with power
The percentages are beside the point. If only one rape ever resulted in pregnancy, that women should still have the right to an abortion.It is a tired arguement. And this is why....only 2-5 percent of abortions preformed are for rape victims.
Can you provide a statistic to back this up, please? How many or what percentage of women who have aborted an embryo conceived through rape regret their choice?I am not even going to pass judgement on the actual women who get abortions, they have enough to deal with, they ususally end up regretting it any way.
1) Pro-choicers do not encourage women to get abortions. We merely support their right to. The choice is their's to make. I will support the woman who continues the pregnancy just as much as I will support the one who chooses to abort.It is you "pro-choicers" encouraging them to do this and stripping them of all moral conscience by constantly battering into their minds your ideas of " a womans rights" at ever turn that is truly naseating.
U R my Sonshine said:It is a tired arguement. And this is why....only 2-5 percent of abortions preformed are for rape victims. Yet the pro-choicers KNOW this and continue to grasp this tired old, attempt to justify killing the baby. It isn't even a valid arguement because MOST women who have abortions have not been raped.
I am not even going to pass judgement on the actual women who get abortions, they have enough to deal with, they ususally end up regretting it any way. It is you "pro-choicers" encouraging them to do this and stripping them of all moral conscience by constantly battering into their minds your ideas of " a womans rights" at ever turn that is truly naseating.
How can you have a close relationship with someone who's name you dont know? Would one be justified in speaking of someones personnality and how well they know it if they didnt know the name of that person?Seeking... said:God is God - He is the creator of everything and if He has another name for Himself, I don't know it..
So its a logical explanation satisfactory to you in explaining the natural world. How does this not offer peace of mind?Seeking... said:I believe in God because everything in nature tells me He exists and I have had personal experience with Him moving in my life. I don't know that God has a purpose - if He does, I don't know it.
Logic is how you came to the answer. But wasnt the reason why you answered your own question was for peace of mind?Seeking... said:For me, belief in God is logical - it isn't about peace of mind, He isn't sitting around waiting to save me or anyone else.
Seeking... said:There have been times I have been sure He was working in my life and there have been equally turbulent times when I did not. I imagine God serves His own purpose, and again, I don't know what that is.
HouseApe said:That is difficult. One could look at it the way you have implied Fledge. Another might be to look at is as the parents being hurt, and requiring justice for their loss, as opposed to the fetus being considered as valuable as someone who has been born.
The tip-off to me here is the a judge requiring the offender to pay the parents money, as opposed to the offender being put to death as one would expect the penalty to be for killing a human who has been born.
I'm not sure what the whole "mischief" issue is. Maybe that is where an offender continues to hurt the mother? In which case he must be hurt in the way he has hurt the mother?
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