Abortion

[Seeking...]

That resources have not "actually been allocated" in accordance with divine precepts is certain; that there are no Divine precepts for such allocation, is a matter of speculation.

I'd rather not speculate. You can't back it up - the theory holds no water.

Of course there's a "commons", what do you think is a basis for every environmental law decision ever made?

There is a legal construct of "commons" created specifically to manipulate the legal systems. It is not an actuality in the real world.

 

[spanner365]

The essence of my point here is that they are both equal as far as their humanity goes because both are living complete human DNA. Living, growing, human DNA = human life. We are all just human DNA of a lesser or greater age.
Shalom

[delurk] I am undecided on the "abortion issue" in general. Man, it is a tough one.
I assume that you have no problem with the killing of animals when it is to the benefit of human beings. So what is it that separates us from the animals? What is it that makes us human? What makes the embryo on par with ourselves? Are you sure that the human embryo shares the properties that you are using to determine our humanity?
I don't believe in souls and since you have zero evidence for their existence, using them as a criterion is irrational.

Seeing the unborn child as a "human being", on a par with yourself is a prerequisite to any desire or ability to carry it to term. Without such a conception of it as the full human that it is, there would be no incentive to follow through to term.

I would tentatively disagree. There is the incentive that the embryo inside you has the capacity to become the thinking, feeling, sentient being that you yourself are.This is coupled with the plans you are making for the babies future, giving it value. I am sure that your feelings towards the baby and your awareness of its humanness grows as you feel it fulfilling that capacity. [/lurk]

 

[truth_restorer]

I'd rather not speculate. You can't back it up - the theory holds no water.



There is a legal construct of "commons" created specifically to manipulate the legal systems. It is not an actuality in the real world.

It is a model of a "real" human condition. Although the model is just a model, the condition; the relationships it is modelling are real.

 

[truth_restorer]

[delurk] I am undecided on the "abortion issue" in general. Man, it is a tough one.
I assume that you have no problem with the killing of animals when it is to the benefit of human beings. ]

I do have a problem with it, and that's why I'm a Vegan.

So what is it that separates us from the animals? What is it that makes us human?

The human DNA; that makes us human.

What makes the embryo on par with ourselves?

Ibid.

Are you sure that the human embryo shares the properties that you are using to determine our humanity?

Yes, because the only property I'm using is the complete, living DNA of the organism that represents it "in toto".

I don't believe in souls and since you have zero evidence for their existence, using them as a criterion is irrational.

I haven't used them as a criterion.

I would tentatively disagree. There is the incentive that the embryo inside you has the capacity to become the thinking, feeling, sentient being that you yourself are.This is coupled with the plans you are making for the babies future, giving it value. I am sure that your feelings towards the baby and your awareness of its humanness grows as you feel it fulfilling that capacity. [/lurk]

Again, sentient or not, thsi is not my grounds for determing it's humanity. Solely, the living DNA.

Sentientness varies widely from individual to individual depending on their physical, mental and emotional condition at any given time. Killing someone who is asleep, or, if you will,unconscious or in coma, in a way such that no pain is felt, is still the taking of a human life.

Shalom