Abortion

[Quijote]

From a logical stand point I look at it this way.

Sex is meant for reproduction, right? So why have sex if you dont want a kid?

Its an oxy moron.

Sex is for "Bonding and Babies"

cheers

 

[truth_restorer]

Then explain it to me.
From your viewpoint, what is it that makes the life of a fetus so important that a woman should be made to carry it to term against her will.
Perhaps you believe all life to be sacred, but the biggest loss of human life reproductively isn't abortion. Our reproductive systems are designed to be incredibly wasteful of life. Women are only capable of conceiving a few days out of each month - so most eggs and sperm are spent fruitlessly. In addition, most conceptions end in miscarriage - not pregnancy. Why is the abortion more tragic than the miscarriage? The end result to the child is the same, no better or worse.

You should stop after first saying "the life". That's it right there - the "life", the "life" of another human being is THAT important. I realize that it is a sacrifice, but we are not talking about discarding cotton candy here.

I do not think the government, any political entity, or any person or should force you to make that decision; but neither should it dissuade you from making that decision by telling you that it is acceptable if you do not. This is a purely ethical decision you must make. It is a decision between you and God, or your Higher power. But if you make the decsion ethically, I think there is only one decsion you can make.

As to miscarriages: The statement "most pregnancies end in miscarriage" is not factually correct. There are many miscarriages also that are preventable with proper prenatal care and diet. Yet, of course, some will still occur. This is not relevant to the issue. Many people will die in an massive earthquake. Yet, should we not try to rescue those we can?

Shalom

 

[Jetgirl]

5-7% of rapes end in pregnancy. Of course they never tell you what percent of "rapes" actually were not rapes at all, or what percent of the "rape" victims were already engaged in sex with the very guy they are claiming to have been raped by, or what percent of abortions are procured by prostitues.

Now that is one huge trailer of manuer.

It doesn't matter if I've had sex with the guy, it doesn't even matter if I've been MARRIED to him for fifty years! If a man physically forces me to have sex with him, it's rape. Period.

As far as prostitutes, I honestly don't know how many have abortions.

 

[LittleNipper]

This just keeps getting better and better. Now the women who are raped and become pregnant are liars. Would you care to offer evidence to support this position?



No, this is a bad analogy. Your original claim was that "those same people" who support a woman's right to choose opposed removing "morning Bible reading in Public school." You offered no proof of this, only opinion. If you have proof please provide it. Obviously your claim is wrong because I am one of "those same people," yet I believe that the removal of manditory Bible reading from public schools was a good thing.



So it is only "superficial" when a woman whose life is in danger beacuse of a pregnancy survives because of a safe abortion.

My proof is simply this, how many children were murdered in public schools before 1963. How many were murdered while in school after 1963? The proof is in the numbers. You only want to apply numbers where it suits your philosophy. The removal of GOD's logic can NEVER be a good thing. You have the truth. ONLY the TRUTH will set you free. Remove the TRUTH and you end freedom. Where is the freedom in public education today? Another proof it would seem.... So I have provided you with 2-----not that it matters.

 

[LittleNipper]

Now that is one huge trailer of manuer.

It doesn't matter if I've had sex with the guy, it doesn't even matter if I've been MARRIED to him for fifty years! If a man physically forces me to have sex with him, it's rape. Period.

As far as prostitutes, I honestly don't know how many have abortions.

And tell me, how many women have cried rape as a means to hurt a man for whatever reason and how does the man prove that he was so manipulated?

 

[WhiteTiger2999]

I have never seen an aborted baby before and never wish to.. i was once for abortion, but recent events have made me change my mind. I believe that no woman should look to abortion as a good thing. Some may see the fetus as an actual living entity after the first two months, but if you think about it, once the sperm hits the egg, theres an instant action of life, that even within the first two months, a child is being born in the womb of a woman, though this fetus is not fully functioning, the process of life and the growing of life is occuring. On another note, when a child is born and the very minute the mother beholds her child, there is an instant bond that occurs if it does not already do so while the child is in her womb.
So much can be said against abortion: 1. I see sex as a privilage to be done and experienced when the time is right (in the union of marriage). God gave animals the ability to have sex for once purpose.. to reproduce not for pleasure. Humans are animals we are the smartest of them all, God made us this way, and he also gave us the ability to reproduce sexualy for reasons such as reproduction. It is sad that in todays society children are literaly having children, when they dont even understand fully the beauty of love and marriage. Bah this topic upsets me! Ill just say my peace and leave. Im against abortion

 

[WhiteTiger2999]

Oh yeah and on a second note.... if your a woman and your thinking on abortion.. next time your around a baby.. just gaze into thier eyes and listen to them giggle. People complain that they never see a mirical occur. My brother once said, "when in doubt that miricals exist, look at trees and thier process of photosynthisis, that they can absorb sunlight convert it to engery and give us fresh air".. i say this to you, "when i doubt of a mirical.. look to a newborn baby and image what thier future will be. Then imagine yourself not existing because your parents decided foolishly you should not live".

 

[]RiSeN[]

Every gun owner is aware of its capabilities. Would it be logical for some one who uses their gun regularly around people, that if he hit someone, accident or not, put all of the blame on the bullet? And that its not manslaughter because It was the gun that shot the bullet? What do you tell the victim before they die, "Its my gun, so its my choice."? All the intentions, excuses and reasons dont change the fact; the gun owner was useing a weapon, a tool designed with killing as its purpose. If your not ready to accept all the responsabilities and realities of owning a gun, quit playing with it.


Sure guns can be fun at the range, but they were and are designed to kill.
Sure sex can be fun, but it was and is designed to create... life. Intentions, excuses and reasons dont change that fact.

 

[WhiteTiger2999]

I like your analogy with the gun

 

[]RiSeN[]

I like your analogy with the gun

ty.

 

[In A Perfect World]

Oh yeah and on a second note.... if your a woman and your thinking on abortion.. next time your around a baby.. just gaze into thier eyes and listen to them giggle. People complain that they never see a mirical occur. My brother once said, "when in doubt that miricals exist, look at trees and thier process of photosynthisis, that they can absorb sunlight convert it to engery and give us fresh air".. i say this to you, "when i doubt of a mirical.. look to a newborn baby and image what thier future will be. Then imagine yourself not existing because your parents decided foolishly you should not live".

Oh yeah and on a second note... if you're a woman and your thinking about an abortion, next time you're around a baby, just gaze into its eyes and listen to it giggle. People complain that they never see a miracle occur. My brother once said, "When you doubt that miracles exist, look at trees and their process of photosynthesis: they can absorb sunlight and convert it to engery and give us fresh air." I say this to you, "When i doubt of a miracle, look at a newborn baby and imagine what its future will be. Then imagine yourself not existing because your mother decided foolishly that you should not live".

For someone who brags that children are miracles, I tell you they are not miracles and certainly not "miricals". They can be explained. For someone who is fascinated with the process of photosynthesis, you don't know how to spell it. Oh, and by the way, nice using the example "think about what would happen if your mom aborted you" - I wouldn't be here to think about it anyway, what's the point? Big deal - I don't exist and I certainly wouldn't be a dime wiser.

 

[WhiteTiger2999]

well geez your worse than my high school english teacher. This is a forum of opinions, and thats my opinion. Well for one, if your mother chose to abort you.. heh well i wouldnt care either way, and well on a mean *****y note.. shed probably be a lot happier.. oh thats so mean of me to say. I take it back that was cruel of me to say, but i had to.

 

[]RiSeN[]

For someone who brags that children are miracles, I tell you they are not miracles and certainly not "miricals". They can be explained. For someone who is fascinated with the process of photosynthesis, you don't know how to spell it. Oh, and by the way, nice using the example "think about what would happen if your mom aborted you" - I wouldn't be here to think about it anyway, what's the point? Big deal - I don't exist and I certainly wouldn't be a dime wiser.

Thank God we didnt miss out on your pearls of wisdom...

 

[In A Perfect World]

well geez your worse than my high school english teacher. This is a forum of opinions, and thats my opinion. Well for one, if your mother chose to abort you.. heh well i wouldnt care either way, and well on a mean *****y note.. shed probably be a lot happier.. oh thats so mean of me to say. I take it back that was cruel of me to say, but i had to.

You didn't have to say it. You have free will and a conscience. And numerous books to help you get back on track. You wouldn't care? You don't even know me. You've ultimately just proved you don't care if people have abortions or not. Next time you make a joke, review it and compare it to that which you stand for, else you will slip and sacrifice your integrity in an attempt to insult someone.

By the way, my mother loves me very much, and I wouldn't think of making a comment like you made about me to you. I don't hate you.

 

[JachinBoaz]

Ok, the fact of the matter is although the Bible does not mention abortions, it does, however, defend it, not defame it. This is meant for all you bible-thumping holier-than-thou fundamental christians!

 

[]RiSeN[]

You didn't have to say it. You have free will and a conscience. And numerous books to help you get back on track. You wouldn't care? You don't even know me. You've ultimately just proved you don't care if people have abortions or not. Next time you make a joke, review it and compare it to that which you stand for, else you will slip and sacrifice your integrity in an attempt to insult someone.

= The pot calling the kettle black. You've just reproached someone for repaying in kind when you were the one who first tried to debase her arguement with ad hominem and your personal opinion;

For someone who brags that children are miracles, I tell you they are not miracles and certainly not "miricals". They can be explained. For someone who is fascinated with the process of photosynthesis, you don't know how to spell it. Oh, and by the way, nice using the example "think about what would happen if your mom aborted you" - I wouldn't be here to think about it anyway, what's the point? Big deal - I don't exist and I certainly wouldn't be a dime wiser.

First you tell her shes wrong because her point of view varies from your narrow scope of things, then you attempt to belittle her views because of spelling. Sad.
Her spelling might be a little rusty. Unlike you, shes been out of high school for a couple of years now.

By the way, my mother loves me very much, and I wouldn't think of making a comment like you made about me to you. I don't hate you.

And i bet she tells you she loves you every day since you still live with your parents.

 

[Cheli]

And tell me, how many women have cried rape as a means to hurt a man for whatever reason and how does the man prove that he was so manipulated?

You're making the claim, you provide the statistics to back this up.

Oh yeah and on a second note.... if your a woman and your thinking on abortion.. next time your around a baby.. just gaze into thier eyes and listen to them giggle.

Completely irrelevent. A baby is not the same as an embryo or a lump of cells. And I've never found there to be anything special about babies anyway.

Then imagine yourself not existing because your parents decided foolishly you should not live

Again, completely irrelvent. You cannot imagine non-existence. And if you were aborted, you'd never know.

 

[WhiteTiger2999]

Oh Damn Whatever. Mere Opinions:-d

 

[]RiSeN[]

I am not biologically dependant on society to survive. I will grow, function, and live regardless of what my mother is doing. If my mother were to die tomorrow, I wouldn't die with her. However, if my mother was pregnant and she died, I wouldn't have continued to develop. Unless she had reached the point of viability in the pregnancy, I wouldn't have continued to function biologically.

i'm sure you know this, but there's a big difference between being dependant on society to give you a place to go grocery shopping, and dependant on a specific person to keep your heart beating, blood flowing, and otherwise functional.

It helps if you read the post correctly and adress its meaning. His wording was "world" not "society". Changing the word and meaning of someones post so as to be able to appear as still having ground to stand on is a waste.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Yeah, right.

Then gaze at the kid after he throws up all over the back of the car and screams bloody murder the whole way home. Then take a gander at the medical bill for the "wellness check" and worry about how much it'd cost if the child actually wasn't well. Then take a wander down aisle 7 at the grocery store and prepare to be shocked at the cost of diapers, wipes, formula, bottles, clothing, powder, soaps, food... Then think about what it'll be like going to sleep tonight at 9, then waking up at 12, 2, and 5 for feedings. Then picture yourself writing a check for daycare so you can work to afford to put the kid in daycare. Then imagine doing all of that on an income that can't support you, much less you and another person.

Gazing into the eyes of a child is the "Disney movie" answer, but it has nothing to do with real life. Gazing into the eyes of a child doesn't make it easier to put food on the table or care for him or her.

Yes all those things add up to ....reality. A reality the mother has created for herself(barring rape). Your arguement is founded on selfishness and immaturity and states simply "I want to play but i dont want to pay". Your arguement states that killing a life in order for you not to be inconvenienced is the right choice based on a theory of practicality. So you've just put a price tag on a life and in doing so declared your net worth.