abortion

[Poohbear246]

That's pretty akward, but I've met a lot of people that I never realised existing the last two days (since I registered). Although I still fair to see how people can believe in the Bible, this might actually be very wise lesson. Until now, I've always tried to better myself on strength, knowlegde, social surface, intelligence, looks and wisdom. Although I possess little of most, I feel that this is going to help me.

We all possess little of most, and life is all about growing. I just try to keep an open mind about everyone's beliefs. These forums are very interesting, and you'll meet alot of people from different backgrounds and situations. Hope you have fun here!

 

[jayem]

Abortion, like any public policy issue has both a moral and legal side, which often get mixed together.

I think it is morally wrong to terminate a healthy pregnancy purely for reasons of "convenience." (Though I question how often such clear black and white cases really occur.)

But from the legal aspect, I don't think abortion (at least in the early stages) should be criminalized. I don't believe that a fetus in the early stages of pregnancy is a "person" in the legal sense, so an abortion is not an act of murder.

Just because something is morally wrong, doesn't mean it must be made into a crime. In the case of abortion, I think that giving government police power over a woman's pregnancy and personal medical decisions is worse than allowing abortions for less than cogent reasons.

 

[GrnEyes]

I am pro-choice. I don't believe that anyone should make such a personal decision for anyone else. I think they should be kept legal and safe. I don't believe that abortion should be used as birth control but thats just my opinion.

 

[jamicon]

First, there is no scripture in the Bible which directly relates to abortion. Just like many other issues, we are left to make the best decision possible. Therefore, from a Christian perspective, there is no slam dunk right or wrong.

However, I was raised anti-abortion. I accepted that view for a long time. Finally, after I questioned that view and studied the scripture, I changed my opinion.

For me, it was Exodus 21:22 which states, "If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."

According to the majority of scholars (I believe), this verse means that if the woman miscarriages, then he will be fined, but if the woman dies, then he shall be put to death. To me, the reason this scripture is important is that it shows a difference between fetal life and human life.

I do not mean to offend anyone with different views. The subject of abortion is very touchy. However, I believe that Casey was a pretty good decision. Anyway, I don't believe that the life of a baby from rape, incest, etc. is any less precious. Therefore, I don't buy the "no abortions with exceptions" idea.

Just my opinion and how I arrived there.

 

[Monica02]

True Christian teaching is that direct abortion is always wrong and a sin.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I believe it is wrong....and that late term abortions should be banned unless there is medical necessity. Given that, I've seen some interesting things recently. One being that many, perhaps a majority, of fertilized embryos never implant in the womb. Most fertilized embryos die naturally/through God's will. Also, a quote in exodus. Someone pushes a woman causing a miscarriage, but while harm to the woman is punished eye for an eye he pays a monetary fine for the death of the fetus. Just a different view of things.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

True Christian teaching is that direct abortion is always wrong and a sin.

No, that's YOUR opinion as to what the christian way is. There's only one being who's entitled to decree whta the "True Christian teaching" is, and it ain't you.

 

[ZACTAK]

i was just wondering what the christian view on abortion is and what everyone elses view on abortion is......personally i strongly disagree with abortion under every circumstance.....there is always a chance that the baby will be born healthy or stable if the doctors say he/she will be handicapped.....and if th woman was raped then it doesnt matter how the child cam into the world aslong as its here and has a chance to live its own life...

I am pro-life except in instances of incest, rape, or if the life of the woman is endanger.

You say that if a woman is raped she should not be allowed to have an abortion, but being raped is a very traumatic experience. Knowing that child in you is the work of a rapist is going to eat you alive and make it very hard to carry it psychologically for the next nine months... also, the woman would have psychological strife knowing that child is out there and knowing how they came into this world... if the child is put up for adoption then there is a chance they will search for their biological mother, they could find her, ask about their dad... bring back bad traumatic memories for the mother and then if they are told their father raped their mother and that is how they entered the world... they are going to have problems with that, and might even feel guilty. Not a good thing. All lives are precious, but bringing that child into this world would do more harm then good.

 

[Archivist]

True Christian teaching is that direct abortion is always wrong and a sin.

I would agree with Electric Skeptic--you cannot say that there is one Christian view on abortion. It is a difficult issue upon which reasonable Christians can disagree.

I think that I am safe in saying that the one point upon which we would all agree is that we would like to see the number of abortions greatly reduced.

 

[sparklecat]

I'm pro-choice, though I think abortions should be illegal once the woman enters the third trimester. Beyond that, in terms of my personal choices on the matter, I don't know what I'd do if I became pregnant. If I were raped, I can't imagine I would want to carry it for nine months. If I was careless or just unlucky... at this point in my life, I would probably either want to have an abortion, or have the child and let it be adopted by someone who paid my medical expenses, plus a little extra.

 

[lawtonfogle]

I am pro-choice. I don't believe that anyone should make such a personal decision for anyone else. I think they should be kept legal and safe. I don't believe that abortion should be used as birth control but thats just my opinion.

So you are saying you will let the mom chose if the child lives. The mom had a choice, it was not to have sex, and if she decided to have sex, then she should deal with the consciqueonces (big time misspelling)

And if the problem is that she was raped, i still stand that she would be making the babies choice on if the child will live

Why punish the child for its fathers/mothers sin.

(but maybe bringing the child into a world where they will be hurt is the true punishment)

 

[rachel27]

I am pro-life except in instances of incest, rape, or if the life of the woman is endanger.

You say that if a woman is raped she should not be allowed to have an abortion, but being raped is a very traumatic experience. Knowing that child in you is the work of a rapist is going to eat you alive and make it very hard to carry it psychologically for the next nine months... also, the woman would have psychological strife knowing that child is out there and knowing how they came into this world... if the child is put up for adoption then there is a chance they will search for their biological mother, they could find her, ask about their dad... bring back bad traumatic memories for the mother and then if they are told their father raped their mother and that is how they entered the world... they are going to have problems with that, and might even feel guilty. Not a good thing. All lives are precious, but bringing that child into this world would do more harm then good.

yes that is true...but im pretty sure the person would be happy that the mother didnt gave an abortion and so they got to live their life....whether their father was a rapist or not

 

[Bonhoffer]

There is no "christian view" on abortion... as many xians are both pro-life and pro-choice.

I do think there is a Christian veiw on the morality of abortion (i.e its wrong) but not a uniform veiw on whether abortion should be legal or not.

I can't even imagine many atheists as being pro-abortion!

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I do think there is a Christian veiw on the morality of abortion (i.e its wrong) but not a uniform veiw on whether abortion should be legal or not.

If by "a Christian view" you mean a view that all Christians share, you're wrong. If by it you mean a view that all Christians SHOULD share, then I'd say as long as you realise that that's your opinion, and not necessarily God's, then fine.

I can't even imagine many atheists as being pro-abortion!

I've never heard of anyone being "pro-abortion". I know many people, Christians, atheists, Jews, just about every religion, who are pro-CHOICE.

 

[flicka]

So you are saying you will let the mom chose if the child lives. The mom had a choice, it was not to have sex, and if she decided to have sex, then she should deal with the consciqueonces (big time misspelling)

Your confusing sex with pregnancy and childbirth and possibly child rearing. The woman does not just 'choose to have sex'. Sex is an act between two people who come together for reasons that often have nothing to do with baby making And often the woman doesn't have a choice because she is also expected to meet the sexual needs of her mate. She CAN choose to use BC but then that isn't always reliable.

Telling some to 'deal the the consequences' doesn't work.

And yes, The mom gets to choose because it her burdon to bear. Sorry.

 

[Taake]

Since this is an ethnic question, all sides should be respected and there is no absolute right or wrong. Therefore, it should be legally possible for those who want to have their child killed, and those who do not agree with it are fully free not to have their children abborted. Since an unborn child is according to law not yet a human and part of the mothers body, she can do whatever she wants with it.

 

[Marek]

Since this is an ethnic question, all sides should be respected and there is no absolute right or wrong. Therefore, it should be legally possible for those who want to have their child killed, and those who do not agree with it are fully free not to have their children abborted. Since an unborn child is according to law not yet a human and part of the mothers body, she can do whatever she wants with it.

hmmmmmmm.... This argument sounds familiar......

Since this is an ethnic question, all sides should be respected and there is no absolute right or wrong. Therefore, it should be legally possible for those who want to have (slaves), and those who do not agree with it are fully free not to have (slaves). Since (a slave) is according to law not () a human and part of the (slave owners property), she can do whatever she wants with it.

 

[Lokisdottir]

yes that is true...but im pretty sure the person would be happy that the mother didnt gave an abortion and so they got to live their life....whether their father was a rapist or not

If I'd been the child of a rape, and I found out that my mother only had me because she was forced to by law, I'd be EXTREMELY upset. Not at my mother, but at the fact that she was forced to carry that burden for my sake. I'd feel extreme guilt.

I'd rather be aborted.

 

[kedaman]

what is pro-choice? Can I chose to be anti-choice?

 

[Taake]

hmmmmmmm.... This argument sounds familiar......

Since this is an ethnic question, all sides should be respected and there is no absolute right or wrong. Therefore, it should be legally possible for those who want to have (slaves), and those who do not agree with it are fully free not to have (slaves). Since (a slave) is according to law not () a human and part of the (slave owners property), she can do whatever she wants with it.

In the first part it makes sense, but that latter sentence doesn't since all people are equal by law.