Abortion

[Ave Maria]

fair play.

I wouldnt personally judge them, i would just find it hard to accept that someone would destroy a life that could have been perfectly happy... But i wouldnt judge....

I'd also fully accept their decision. I wouldn't condone it or condemn it. Why? Cause I don't know their situation.

 

[shprdslamb7]

My best friend was a stauch pro-choicer until she worked in an abortion clinic. I guess seeing 10 week gestation babies with fingers and toes will do that to you.

 

[flicka]

My best friend was a stauch pro-choicer until she worked in an abortion clinic. I guess seeing 10 week gestation babies with fingers and toes will do that to you.

I know staunch prolifers who changed their tune when personally hit with unexpected pregnancies...funny how people can change.

 

[shadowed_eyes]

isnt it just

 

[Ave Maria]

My best friend was a stauch pro-choicer until she worked in an abortion clinic. I guess seeing 10 week gestation babies with fingers and toes will do that to you.

I couldn't stand to work in an abortion clinic. Seeing aborted babies wouldn't make me change my stance to Pro-Life. I've seen pictures of aborted babies on the Internet. It'd simply gross me out to the point where I was constantly nauseated so I'd have to change jobs.

 

[shadowed_eyes]

i agree with that, to discuss and debate it is easy... when it comes to making the decision or seeing the poor aborted babies, you'd be amazed how may people change their tune

 

[shprdslamb7]

Is it just the blood and gore that would make you sick? If so, I could understand. Most people can't deal with that. If not, why would it bother you if that fetus is not "human"?

Oh...and see my last couple of posts to you.

 

[Ave Maria]

Is it just the blood and gore that would make you sick? If so, I could understand. Most people can't deal with that. If not, why would it bother you if that fetus is not "human"?

Oh...and see my last couple of posts to you.

Yeah, it's just the blood and gore that would bother me.

What last couple of posts are you talking about? I'm pretty sure I've already seen all of your last couple of posts in this thread.

 

[shadowed_eyes]

Im ok with blood, i actually think blood is nothing to squirm at, it'd be the mee thought that that baby was once living and growing inside someone, and they killed it.... that would set me off

 

[Ave Maria]

I'm not saying that you are lying...forgive me if you think that I thought that.

My point about that is that people's ideas have a way of rubbing off on someone else. Just think things through yourself...that's all I ask.

Don't worry. I do think for myself as I did in that case. I didn't even read his post before I posted in here so I guarantee that my thoughts were my own and not someone elses.

Anyway,


Micromanaging is NOT creating life. Micromanaging would be helping you pick out what color shirt to wear....no, I don't think God needs to be "involved" in every little detail of your life. But, do you not agree that a life created is a big deal?

I wouldn't really consider a life created to be that big of a deal personally. Giving birth on the other hand, is a much bigger deal in my opinion. Considering that something like 60-70% of all pregnancies result in miscarriages I just don't see it as that big of a deal. I don't have a source for that number either. I just remember reading it in a post in News and Current Events.

What sparks that life to begin, Holly? Do you think it is God? If not, what is it?

What sparks that life? The fertilization of the egg by the sperm of course. At least that's what I was taught in biology.

 

[shprdslamb7]

Posted at the same time.

 

[Ave Maria]

For you and Holly, how is admitting that a sin is a sin a "judgment"?

I'll admit, I'm not totally sure how to answer this. I just simply refuse to say judge someone and say they are a sinner. It all depends on the situation anyway. I'll let God decide who is a sinner and who isn't. Well, actually, God says all people are sinners. But I'll let God decide what particular action committed by a particular person is sin and what isn't.

 

[shprdslamb7]

Don't worry. I do think for myself as I did in that case. I didn't even read his post before I posted in here so I guarantee that my thoughts were my own and not someone elses.


I wouldn't really consider a life created to be that big of a deal personally. Giving birth on the other hand, is a much bigger deal in my opinion. Considering that something like 60-70% of all pregnancies result in miscarriages I just don't see it as that big of a deal. I don't have a source for that number either. I just remember reading it in a post in News and Current Events.


What sparks that life? The fertilization of the egg by the sperm of course. At least that's what I was taught in biology.

There is nothing I can say about you seeing a life created as "not that big a deal". The only thing I might say is that our generation is a generation where life is devalued. Maybe your opinion is based on this.

But the spark...so, you do not belief that God breathes life into the fertilized egg?

 

[Ave Maria]

Posted at the same time.

I found the missing posts and replied.

 

[Ave Maria]

There is nothing I can say about you seeing a life created as "not that big a deal". The only thing I might say is that our generation is a generation where life is devalued. Maybe your opinion is based on this.

But the spark...so, you do not belief that God breathes life into the fertilized egg?

No, I believe that God breathed life into the first humans or whatever evolved in to them. If you take the creation story of Genesis literally, that would be Adam and Eve. In other words, I believe that God "breathed" life into the origin of life and then everything since has had life already in it. So in other words, the sperm and the egg are already alive. They just become one alive organism when they combine.

 

[shadowed_eyes]

No, I believe that God breathed life into the first humans or whatever evolved in to them. If you take the creation story of Genesis literally, that would be Adam and Eve. In other words, I believe that God "breathed" life into the origin of life and then everything since has had life already in it. So in other words, the sperm and the egg are already alive. They just become one alive organism when they combine.

Interesting take on things, i suppose that if God breathed life into Adam and Eve, he could also 'breathe' life into the sperm and egg, but there is nothing to suggest that there is any 'breathing' on God's part for those created BY Adam and Eve and the generations that followed from then.

Good Point Holly.....

 

[Leimeng]

~ People say that "I personally don't support abortion and would never have one, but if someone else wants to have one they can... It is their 'choice'." (Or variations of that same theme), are common. It seems like they want to be nice and friends with everyone and not be judgemental. They want to seem enlightened to both sides of the issue. Most of the them time they have some sort of moral cognation that is wrong for them.
~ Let us use that same logic for another moral issue. " I personally dont support rape ( I believe it is wrong), and would never rape someone else, but if someone else wants to rape someone they can. It is their 'choice'."
~ How about this one? " I personnally never would molest a little girl and cut open her parents and roast her puppy dog ( I personally dont feel that it is the right thing to do), but if someone else wants to molest little girls and cut open her parents and roast her puppy dog, I would not try to prevent them from doing so. It is there 'choice'."
~ What an uncomfortable position to be in. Not able to make a moral choice for right?
~ Now, there are a lot of people who say that they dont support abortion except in the case of incest or rape. The question they should ask is "What did the baby do wrong?" I dont support drug dealers selling crack in the southside. Should I put all the residents of the southside in jail to prevent them from selling crack?
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~


One good turn gets most of the blankets.

 

[Aimee30]

I ask this question of the pro-choice Christians. I don't usually get answers but we'll see.

Do YOU think that God made a mistake and humans are allowed to "fix" that mistake with abortion?

I'm not pro-choice but I will answer no. However, the quote about right-wing conspiracy, don't remind me of someone who is pro-life and just lets people die.

 

[Unity of the brethren]

Well my view on abortion is that: to abort a child with a defect, like a cleft lip is wrong.
unless it is like a uber massive defect. I also think that as a lad i can't say much on this subject.

 

[Bails]

Abortion is murder, and those that perform abortions are murderers. Period. In my opinion there is simply no other way to look at it.