Abortion: What is your belief

[ebia]

Jeremiah 1:5 says,"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; And I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

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[OldWiseGuy]

Abortion has gone from simple murder to confusion. I stopped concerning myself about it long ago. If you saw a pimp beating up his 'ho', would you rush to help? That's how I view abortion. Let the dead bury the dead.

 

[paleodoxy]

Abortion has gone from simple murder to confusion

What's confusing about murder?

If you saw a pimp beating up his 'ho', would you rush to help?

Yes.

As far as letting the dead bury their dead, I do believe that abortion is God's judgment on pagans and apostates. Who wants these people reproducing themselves anyway? If the godless hate themselves enough to cut off the fruit of their loins...fine by me.

The keepers of the covenant will rush in to fill the vacuum, and their faithful seed will fill the earth.

 

[ebia]

What's confusing about murder?


Yes.

As far as letting the dead bury their dead, I do believe that abortion is God's judgment on pagans and apostates. Who wants these people reproducing themselves anyway? If the godless hate themselves enough to cut off the fruit of their loins...fine by me.

The keepers of the covenant will rush in to fill the vacuum, and their faithful seed will fill the earth.

's funny. One of our less thoughful politicians made precisely the opposite argument - that if Australian's don't stop having abortions the country will eventually be overrun by Muslims. (with the clearly implication that would be a bad thing.)

In my opinion if Christ had wanted to convert the world by breeding he would have made disciples of rabbits.

 

[Snoofles]

abortion is murder, killing an innocent life. no man or woman on this earth has the right to play God.

 

[Ave Maria]

I'm pro-choice politically but personally I am pro-life except in cases of rape, incest, or physical endangerment of the mother's health or life.

 

[dignitized]

I'm pro-choice politically but personally I am pro-life except in cases of rape, incest, or physical endangerment of the mother's health or life.

If you are personally pro-life why are you politically pro-choice?

 

[Mandrake]

If it were my baby and pregnancy (which seems unlikely) I'd never choose an abortion. However, I don't think it's my job to choose for anyone else. Thus, pro-choice.

 

[paleodoxy]

's funny. One of our less thoughful politicians made precisely the opposite argument - that if Australian's don't stop having abortions the country will eventually be overrun by Muslims. (with the clearly implication that would be a bad thing.)

In my opinion if Christ had wanted to convert the world by breeding he would have made disciples of rabbits.

I'm going for a combination of reproduction and evangelism.

Being postmillennial, the world will one day be filled with the faithful. Not one unregenerate individual will remain on the earth.

 

[humbledbyhim]

I believe that the only time that abortion is not murder is where giving birth or continuing the pregnancy will most definitely kill the mom.

A pastor who recently preached at my church gave his testimony about how the doctors told his parents who were 38 to abort him because there would be complications and he would be deformed of brain damaged. (They said that one of these things if not all would CERTAINLY HAPPEN). He is not deformed, he does not have any brain damage, and there were no complications. It's called faith in God. To think of how many lost souls would have missed God if his parents had listened to the doctors scares me. To think of how his children would not exist if his parents had listened. See what people don;t realize is that they are not just killing one baby but all subsequent generations that the child could have brought forth. To be pro choice outside of when the mother's life is in certain danger is to be pro death.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

pro life- all abortions are murder.

 

[dignitized]

If it were my baby and pregnancy (which seems unlikely) I'd never choose an abortion. However, I don't think it's my job to choose for anyone else. Thus, pro-choice.

But by not standing you are choosing death for that baby - thus you have chosen for another.

I really don't get the whole moral equivocation here - can someone please justify this position? How can you believe abortion is murder but say that you would not want to see those murderes stoped??

 

[edwardelricsfan]

I think its up to the father and mother. but if the father leaves than it is the mother's choice. if she can't have the child for some reason its her choice. is it fair for the child to never know thier real family? can you really trust another human with you child if you gave it up for adoption?

 

[MoodyBlue]

Pro-choice.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

I am interested in what Christians think of abortion especially late-term abortions. Are you aware of the procedures used? Does the life of the mother (as in quality of life) supercede the life of the unborn child? Does a woman have a right to make a choice or is this murder?

None of the above.

Legally speaking:
I favor complete freedom of choice in the first trimester with only minimal restrictions (medically necessary regulations on the premises, counseling availability, parental notification for minors with available judicial override).

In the third trimester only in the case of severe threats to the woman's health or life. In particular when the woman's life is at stake late-term and partial birth abortions are courses of action that must be seriously considered.

for more information about partial birth abortions I suggest:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba.htm
in particular:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm

 

[Mandrake]

But by not standing you are choosing death for that baby - thus you have chosen for another.

I really don't get the whole moral equivocation here - can someone please justify this position? How can you believe abortion is murder but say that you would not want to see those murderes stoped??

Erm, if you look at the quote that you took from my post I don't believe that you'll find the word murder in it anywhere. The murder issue hinges upon the personhood of the fetus. You can't murder someone who isn't a person. Since I don't believe that an embryo is a person, I don't believe that abortion is murder. This has been argued about a million times before, so I'm not going to argue it further here, as I'd see that as hijacking what began as a simple poll. My personal decision not to have an abortion in no way illegitimatizes someone else's decision to have one.

 

[enelya_taralom]

I have always felt that the legalization/development of the BC pill and legalization of abortion has resulted in women being viewed mainly as sex objects and not as beloved wifes/mothers and as valuable members of the workforce and socitey. Do you feel this way?

This has definitley happened!! It's not just men viewing women as such though, unfortunatley it's us dishonouring our God-given, beautiful, natural gifts of bodies, sex and fertility. Contraception definitley opened the door toward degrading the natural abilities and gifts of our bodies and sexual union.

Prof. Janet Smith has an AMAZING CD dealing with this issue, "Contraception: Why not?" It's available for free at One More Soul, http://www.omsoul.com/item531.html

Then there's also the Theology of the Body studies which look at God's design for our sexuality, www.christopherwest.com​

 

[paleodoxy]

Are you merely arguing that the BC Pill and abortion is wrong (I agree), or that contraception (in all its forms) is wrong?

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

I have always felt that the legalization/development of the BC pill and legalization of abortion has resulted in women being viewed mainly as sex objects and not as beloved wifes/mothers and as valuable members of the workforce and socitey. Do you feel this way?

The Birth Control pill undoubtedly opened the way for a much greater sexual revolution however the switch, if there was one, was from "husband's property", not "beloved wife".

Those who love(d) their wives did so and do so.

Abortion became widely legal in the U.S. in 1973, the sexual revolution was well underway before that. I don't see any evidence that Roe v Wade had anything significant to do with it.

 

[enelya_taralom]

I think its up to the father and mother. but if the father leaves than it is the mother's choice. if she can't have the child for some reason its her choice. is it fair for the child to never know thier real family? can you really trust another human with you child if you gave it up for adoption?

I'd say it's no less fair than someone deciding to end their life. Course in either scenerio the child still never gets to know their "real" family...

Besides, blood doesn't make a family any more than a house makes a home. Adoptive parents, the people who raised, cared for, and loved/ love you are your family regardless of blood-line. Also why couldn't you trust a couple that is willing, wanting and have been waiting to adopt a child? I know many people who have adopted children and have been adopted themselves, they turned out much better and came from much more loving homes then some of the people I know who were raised by their biological families. Some did get curious about their birth parents and met them, others couldn't care-less. Either way, would it have been fair to cheat them from a loving, healthy, happy home and life, because of hypothiecal, "what ifs" and "is it fairs" that they have no say in? Seriously, when, how and why did we get so cynical about and anti-adoption?