Abortion: What is your belief

[Lisa0315]

I am interested in what Christians think of abortion especially late-term abortions. Are you aware of the procedures used? Does the life of the mother (as in quality of life) supercede the life of the unborn child? Does a woman have a right to make a choice or is this murder?

 

[AngelusSax]

I'm pro-life except for when it is clear that both mother and baby will die unless an abortion is performed to try and save the mother's life, and I can fathom the cases of incest and rape, though I'd still prefer adoption in the case of rape (but would never demand it of any woman).

 

[Lisa0315]

I'm pro-life except for when it is clear that both mother and baby will die unless an abortion is performed to try and save the mother's life, and I can fathom the cases of incest and rape, though I'd still prefer adoption in the case of rape (but would never demand it of any woman).

I know of a pastor who was the product of date rape. The mother raised and loved him. I think this is a demonstration of the power and love of God. This is what is possible. What's more. He nearly died when he was two years old, but this woman prayed for his life. The story goes that the mother begged God to save the life of her child and she would give him back someday. Of course, she was not surprised when he told her that he had been called to the ministry.

 

[Gwenyfur]

All abortion is murder...
I found out I was pregnant 4 days before the test results that took 8 weeks to get to us came down...
cancer...

I had my baby, and 8 years later I'm still alive...
G-d gives grace to the faithful.

but...

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

hrmmm...something to ponder, but abortion is the shedding of innocent blood. period.

 

[destinyhope]

pro-life---all abortions are murder

 

[Monica02]

Direct abortion is always immoral. It always takes the life of an unborn child.

 

[Lisa0315]

Direct abortion is always immoral. It always takes the life of an unborn child.

What do you mean by "direct" abortion? Do you mean as opposed to a birth control method?

 

[Monica02]

What do you mean by "direct" abortion? Do you mean as opposed to a birth control method?

An INdirect abortion is one where the intent is not to abort the fetus, even if the fetus might die as a result of some medical treatment for the mother. Removal of the fallopian tube as treatment for an tubal pregnancy might be an example, or perhaps agressive chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer which might kill the fetus could be another example of an indirect abortion. A direct abortion would be one in which the fetus is surgically killed and then the chemotherapy is administered. Of course any surgical abortion is a direct abortion. Abortions caused by birth control would probably also be considered direct.

 

[Lisa0315]

An INdirect abortion is one where the intent is not to abort the fetus, even if the fetus might die as a result of some medical treatment for the mother. Removal of the fallopian tube as treatment for an tubal pregnancy might be an example, or perhaps agressive chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer which might kill the fetus could be another example of an indirect abortion. A direct abortion would be one in which the fetus is surgically killed and then the chemotherapy is administered. Of course any surgical abortion is a direct abortion. Abortions caused by birth control would probably also be considered direct.

Okay. Thank you for the clarification. I happen to agree with you on all fronts. I used birth control and had my tubes tied before I became a Christian. I would change that if I could go back. This is not a popular concept I realize, and I am not judging anyone who uses birth control especially since I went to extreme measures to make sure that I had no other children. I am just saying that I feel like my eyes have been opened, and this would be wrong for me personally. Very easy to say considering that I eliminated any chance of having any more babies. I just regret it now.

 

[paleodoxy]

Pro-life in all cases.

With regard to the life of the mother being at risk...this question is no more difficult than any other ethical dilemma involving an individual's choice to take the life of another to preserve his/her own life, or to sacrifice oneself for another.

The Christian response should alsways be one of sacrifice and love. We should always treat the life of another as more precious than our own.

And that is not to deny that the decision would be an extremely difficult one.

 

[paleodoxy]

I'm also opposed to "the pill" or any form of artificial birth control that has the potential of terminating a fertilized egg.

 

[Lisa0315]

Pro-life in all cases.

With regard to the life of the mother being at risk...this question is no more difficult than any other ethical dilemma involving an individual's choice to take the life of another to preserve his/her own life, or to sacrifice oneself for another.

The Christian response should alsways be one of sacrifice and love. We should always treat the life of another as more precious than our own.

And that is not to deny that the decision would be an extremely difficult one.

I agree, but it may not be the mother who makes the decision. It may be her husband. He would have to choose between the lives of two people that he loves. Now that is a difficult decision. I think medical professsionals should always discuss living wills with their patients and especially when the life of the unborn child is at stake. This way, the decision is made prior to an emotional state of mind.

 

[Lisa0315]

I'm also opposed to "the pill" or any form of artificial birth control that has the potential of terminating a fertilized egg.

Here's the thing. If all men were prepared to be godly husbands and fathers, I do not think Christian women would have a problem with this. This means men working hard, supporting their wives, showing restraint if necessary for his wife's health or for financial reasons. The pill and the whole women's movement came about because men were mistreating their wives. So, I can say that I regret making it impossible for me to have other children, but I can also honestly say that I do not know how I would have managed with more children.

 

[Monica02]

Here's the thing. If all men were prepared to be godly husbands and fathers, I do not think Christian women would have a problem with this. This means men working hard, supporting their wives, showing restraint if necessary for his wife's health or for financial reasons. The pill and the whole women's movement came about because men were mistreating their wives. So, I can say that I regret making it impossible for me to have other children, but I can also honestly say that I do not know how I would have managed with more children.

I have always felt that the legalization/development of the BC pill and legalization of abortion has resulted in women being viewed mainly as sex objects and not as beloved wifes/mothers and as valuable members of the workforce and socitey. Do you feel this way?

 

[Lisa0315]

I have always felt that the legalization/development of the BC pill and legalization of abortion has resulted in women being viewed mainly as sex objects and not as beloved wifes/mothers and as valuable members of the workforce and socitey. Do you feel this way?

No. I feel that the legalization and development of birth control and abortion were a result of the mistreatment of women. Desperate women took desperate actions.

 

[gal4God]

Pro Life-All abortions are murder

 

[BlessedGent]

I do not support abortion in any manner. for example Jeremiah 1:5 says,"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; And I ordained you a prophet to the nations." NKJV

 

[dignitized]

Abortion is murder - but I would be willing to allow it in cases of rape, sexual abuse and to save the life of a child. Considering that these cases account for less than 2% of all abortions - I think it would be a far compromise.

 

[paleodoxy]

No. I feel that the legalization and development of birth control and abortion were a result of the mistreatment of women. Desperate women took desperate actions.

Lisa,

It sounds like you and Monica are talking about two different things. I don't think it's either/or, but both/and. Monica is talking about effects of BC pills in society, and you are talking about the cause for BC pills.

I would have to do some historical research before I fully agreed with your point (no doubt it is at least partially true), but there is no reason to disagree with Monica's statement in order to preserve your claim. They're separate issues.

 

[Lisa0315]

Lisa,

It sounds like you and Monica are talking about two different things. I don't think it's either/or, but both/and. Monica is talking about effects of BC pills in society, and you are talking about the cause for BC pills.

I would have to do some historical research before I fully agreed with your point (no doubt it is at least partially true), but there is no reason to disagree with Monica's statement in order to preserve your claim. They're separate issues.

You are correct. I went back and re-read Monica's statement. She is talking about the effect. I was talking about the cause. Thank You for pointing this out.