Abortion rate at lowest point since 1976

[kermit]

Why not teach them to wait till marriage to have sex instead? Birth control is evil.

Abstinance is taught in all comprensive sex education programs as the only sure bet against pregancy and disease.

The other methods are taught because teenagers will do what they want. If they want to have sex (no amount or type of sex education will change their mind) they should at least know how to do so with some safety.

 

[jsn112]

Because we all know how good abstinence only education has been, right?

Well, the last time I checked abstinence is still 100% child-production proof.

 

[jsn112]

**Laughs so hard he snorts soda up his nose**

My friend, sex and sexual activity will always be around among the young, get used to it. My circle of friends is pretty good, we dont smoke/drink/do drugs/steal and we all watch what we eat, we dont go flying down the street at 100 miles an hour. Yet ALL of us, every last one of the 12 of us has had sex or has an active sex life now. We're the good kids, and all of us have had sex. They've tried to teach us to be "morally responsible". It didnt work. What they NEEDED to do was to provide us with a way to SAFELY indulge in sex, like making birth control (Besides condoms which I feel arent effective enough to be worth it) more effective and getting these protesters away from the clinics that provide services such as abortion and birth control.

You wont stop the sex, I promise you that. The only thing you can do is give young people ways to do it safer.

I am an Asian in the US. Tell me why the Asian abortion rate is almost nill? Whereas other races are horrifically high? Does that mean Asian population have higher moral standards? You have proven my point and the answer is sadly...yes! Do you know that we are laughing at you when it comes to morality? Take it from me, that's an inside info.

 

[jsn112]

...wow, good to know that you are laughing at your moral inferiors. Also good to know that you think that morality is influenced by racial background. Tell me, oh holy one, which race is the most sinful?

I didn't say we don't sin. We probably sin just as much as any.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

I didn't say we don't sin. We probably sin just as much as any.

Do you know that we are laughing at you when it comes to morality?

Ah, okay NOW I get it. Sinning and moral standards have nothing to do with one another. Either that or your morality is laughable.

 

[trunks2k]

Well, the last time I checked abstinence is still 100% child-production proof.

Nobody is arguing whether or not abstinance is an effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs. What we ARE questioning is whether or not abstinance only education work as well or better than comprehensive sex ed. Studies indicate that they don't.

 

[Ave Maria]

A piece of plastic you wrap around your monkey is evil?

Yes it is. Sex is intended to be open to procreation. Birth control makes sex unnatural to where it is not open to procreation.

 

[Ave Maria]

Abstinance is taught in all comprensive sex education programs as the only sure bet against pregancy and disease.

The other methods are taught because teenagers will do what they want. If they want to have sex (no amount or type of sex education will change their mind) they should at least know how to do so with some safety.

So in other words, we should be teaching them how to sin more safely right?

 

[Ave Maria]

no, its not.

Yes, it is.

 

[Rochir]

Birth control is evil.

No! Unwanted children wasting away in foster homes or orphanages, or being neglected by their own parents because they are not mature enough to care for any children - that is evil!

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

So in other words, we should be teaching them how to sin more safely right?

We shouldn't push your birth control beliefs onto other people or that premarital sex is a sin because people in this country are allowed to lead their lives the way they want to. No one in the US is entitled to conform to your beliefs. Those are your choices to believe, and any children you may or may not have are yours to teach those beliefs. But it's not your place to tell my children how they should and should not act.

 

[Ave Maria]

http://www.catholic.com/library/birth_control.asp

 

[Ave Maria]

We shouldn't push your birth control beliefs onto other people or that premarital sex is a sin because people in this country are allowed to lead their lives the way they want to. No one in the US is entitled to conform to your beliefs. Those are your choices to believe, and any children you may or may not have are yours to teach those beliefs. But it's not your place to tell my children how they should and should not act.

Of course, that is what free will is for. But I still believe in abstinence only education.

 

[Ave Maria]

No! Unwanted children wasting away in foster homes or orphanages, or being neglected by their own parents because they are not mature enough to care for any children - that is evil!

Would you rather them be murdered before birth?

 

[The Black Knight]

I was reading somewhere that not only did the early church abhor any form of contraception, but the pagan philosophers did as well.

No Christian denom approved it until 1930 when the U.S. Episcopal Church made it a matter of personal conscience and then the rest jumped on the bandwagon. With one very notable exception...

I think this should tell us all something if we name ourselves as followers of Christ

 

[Black_Knight]

Nice name....

I was reading somewhere that not only did the early church abhor any form of contraception, but the pagan philosophers did as well.

No Christian denom approved it until 1930 when the U.S. Episcopal Church made it a matter of personal conscience and then the rest jumped on the bandwagon. With one very notable exception...

I think this should tell us all something if we name ourselves as followers of Christ

 

[Alecto]

Well, the last time I checked abstinence is still 100% child-production proof.

I consider abstinance to be mentally harmful. Sex wasnt meant to be put off till some immaginary date in your late 30's.

Yes it is. Sex is intended to be open to procreation. Birth control makes sex unnatural to where it is not open to procreation.

Well if you want to get technical, ANY sex, protected or otherwise, is open to procreation, its just ALOT harder with protection (Breakage and the 1%)

I am an Asian in the US. Tell me why the Asian abortion rate is almost nill? Whereas other races are horrifically high? Does that mean Asian population have higher moral standards? You have proven my point and the answer is sadly...yes! Do you know that we are laughing at you when it comes to morality? Take it from me, that's an inside info.

I REALLY dont mean to sound racist, but I doubt it has much to do with morality. Most Asian cultures tend to take great concern about how people think of them, there is actually a phobia in Japan that hasnt been seen anywhere else, called the fear of embarassing others. Alot of the Asian population, especially first and second generations, have an inborn sense that they do nothing to bring shame to them and thier family. An abortion is considered shameful, so they dont go. An unplanned pregnancy is shameful, but not as much as an abortion. Again, I REALLY dont mean to sound racist and I know thats not true of all Asians (Having actually slept with an Asian girl).

 

[Kelly]

Sex wasnt meant to be put off till some immaginary date in your late 30's.

Who has to wait that long to get married?

 

[Alecto]

Who has to wait that long to get married?

No one HAS to. Most people who have a lasting marraige usually wait till thier late 20's to mid 30's

 

[fyodoros]

Yes it is. Sex is intended to be open to procreation. Birth control makes sex unnatural to where it is not open to procreation.

show me scripture to support this. the link you provided did no such thing. from the site:

The Bible mentions at least one form of contraception specifically and condemns it. Coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. "Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the sperm on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also" (Gen. 38:8–10).

The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood.

so now things are just naturally understood? where is the scripture to support this that is naturally understood? sounds to me more like tradition than anything else.

again, from the link you provided:

Contraception was so far outside the biblical mindset and so obviously wrong that it did not need the frequent condemnations other sins did.

yeah, ok. i'll buy that for a dollar.

So in other words, we should be teaching them how to sin more safely right?

not everyone teaches that sex for pleasure alone is sinful. of course, young adults having sex is not desired, but its inevitable, and abstience only education does not work. if you don't want your child to learn about sex, fine, pull him/her out of class that day. but don't force programs that don't work, and cause unwanted pregnancies, on others' children.

Would you rather them be murdered before birth?

no, i would rather that pregancy never happen. hence, contraceptives.