ABORTION POLL 4 - LAST ONE... I Promise

DaveSZ · Apr 17, 2004

flicka said:
Again, to all those who want rape proven in court...in what universe will that happen in the first trimester??

I agree with you.

A woman knows when she is raped, and doesn't need the indignity of having to face a judge or jury to prove it.

draper · Apr 17, 2004

DaveSZ said:
What would you do to the woman if she had an illegal abortion?

Lock her up in jail?

Personally I think an extremely extremely hefty fine would be good, though others may think jail is appropriate...

Of course, I only say punish her if she did it for the sake of convience. If it was because she was raped or her life was in danger then I'd be appalled that she didn't have legal access to a abortion and I'd support her.

mnmcandiez · Apr 17, 2004

Captain_Jack_Sparrow said:
It is not murder, period. A foetus is NOT a person. It's a lump of protoplasm, nothing more nothing less.

If people put as much effort and thought into the care of living people as they do to a lump of non-sentient cells then the world might be a better place.

IT IS MURDER. Your killing a human not a lump of cells.

Blessed75 · Apr 17, 2004

mnmcandiez said:
IT IS MURDER. Your killing a human not a lump of cells.

uh-huh, well that's your opinion but thanks for voicing it - others disagree.

draper · Apr 17, 2004

Nikki, at the end of the day where do you stand abortions? Don't really wanna flip through this thread...

JD, I see you're lurking. I'll write you back later tonight.

Blessed75 · Apr 17, 2004

draper said:
Nikki, at the end of the day where do you stand abortions? Don't really wanna flip through this thread...

JD, I see you're lurking. I'll write you back later tonight.

YOU ARE LAZY! I'm pro-choice my dear. BUT - there's a big difference in being pro-choice and pro-abortion. I believe that there are different circumstances for everyone. Abortion is not a black or white issue - there are shades of gray. Do I believe in abortion as a means of birth control? NO. Do I believe in abortion after the first trimester? NO. I have other things to say about it but to tell you the truth after everything I've had to deal with the past couple of days (which you know about) I can't go that deep into it. But I think you get the gist........ Btw, welcome back, you really were missed!

Temujin · Apr 17, 2004

As a Christian, I have to feel the same way God does - abortion is always, always to be considered murder. Remember, Biblically, even accidental abortion was considered sin and the penalty could be (and often was) death (Exodus 21:22-25). The bible gives no reason whatsoever for legitimate abortion... it is always a sin, even if on accident.

Of course, this is all just a Christian perspective.

Blessed75 · Apr 17, 2004

Temujin said:
As a Christian, I have to feel the same way God does - abortion is always, always to be considered murder. Remember, Biblically, even accidental abortion was considered sin and the penalty could be (and often was) death (Exodus 21:22-25). The bible gives no reason whatsoever for legitimate abortion... it is always a sin, even if on accident.

Of course, this is all just a Christian perspective.

Okay - I'M A CHRISTIAN - I gave my perspective as well. Thanks for your opinion though.

theeyesoftammyfaye · Apr 17, 2004

Temujin said:
Of course, this is all just a Christian perspective.

good thing we all know the religion has no place in law/government. therefore, this should be a nonissue.

draper · Apr 17, 2004

lol @ Jason...

Blessed - So you basically believe that it's wrong for the sake of convience, but there are cases where it is OK, such as life in danger (I'm assuming) rape to a point, etc etc?

BTW why are you still saying welcome back!? I've been back for like a week! lol

mnmcandiez · Apr 17, 2004

Blessed75 said:
uh-huh, well that's your opinion but thanks for voicing it - others disagree.

Ummm..... I think I know that and dont need to be told that.

Blessed75 · Apr 17, 2004

mnmcandiez said:
Ummm..... I think I know that and dont need to be told that.

Oh - okay, good, I just wanted to clarify that - thanks though!

Jonathan David · Apr 17, 2004

draper said:
JD, I see you're lurking. I'll write you back later tonight.

Yeah, I like to keep tabs on this thread... watching it go round and round and round and round and....

Peace.

JD

Blessed75 · Apr 18, 2004

Jonathan David said:
Yeah, I like to keep tabs on this thread... watching it go round and round and round and round and....

Peace.

JD

Hon, when it comes to this kind of topic, it will always be a merry go round that will never, ever stop.

Horse Luver · Apr 18, 2004

OK, I think I'm probably the last person to vote , but anyhoo! I voted 'None. Abortion is always wrong.' I believe that it is wrong because the baby (no matter how small or young it may be) is God's creation! He didn't create that baby by mistake. Abortion is murder if you ask me. Well, that's my opinion!

Captain_Jack_Sparrow · Apr 18, 2004

Last time I checked the baby/foetus was created by the biological parents. Unless there are some more immaculate conceptions I don't think God was in the impregnation business.

draper · Apr 19, 2004

Captain_Jack_Sparrow said:
Last time I checked the baby/foetus was created by the biological parents. Unless there are some more immaculate conceptions I don't think God was in the impregnation business.

Hmmm...I'm thinking you could be Biblically wrong on that, I'll have to take a look for scripture though.

cartridge · Apr 19, 2004

EmilyAnn said:
emily is against abortion of any kind

Emily think about it a little harder then, how can you possibly be against abortion, it is an incredibly stupid position to take. because if you make abotrion illegal than you have young girls in back ally's with coathangers doing it them selves. Which is incredibly dangerous, would it not be better that they are in a medically controled enviroment, such as a hospital?

Making criminals out of theses poor girls is a crime in its self.

Not to mention that the pro-poverty lobby's arguments fall down at the slightest push. Its all rhetoric, which is wrong anyway, "abortion is murder", actually no, its not. For it to be murder the fetus has to be alive, to be alive it must have a certain amount of brain activity, which until part way through the second trimester, does not actually occur. You cant kill what is not alive.

"It encourages people to be irresponcible!"

Well so do condoms, and all forms of contraception, and you really dont want to get rid of contraception, unless you want America to be like africa is now...

"Its against gods will!"

What about non religious people then? Should they have their personal freedoms diminshed because of your beliefs? So much for the land of the free.

Sorry guys but you haven't got a case.

pistonpunch · Apr 19, 2004

cartridge said:
Emily think about it a little harder then, how can you possibly be against abortion, it is an incredibly stupid position to take. because if you make abotrion illegal than you have young girls in back ally's with coathangers doing it them selves. Which is incredibly dangerous, would it not be better that they are in a medically controled enviroment, such as a hospital?

Making criminals out of theses poor girls is a crime in its self.

Not to mention that the pro-poverty lobby's arguments fall down at the slightest push. Its all rhetoric, which is wrong anyway, "abortion is murder", actually no, its not. For it to be murder the fetus has to be alive, to be alive it must have a certain amount of brain activity, which until part way through the second trimester, does not actually occur. You cant kill what is not alive.

"It encourages people to be irresponcible!"

Well so do condoms, and all forms of contraception, and you really dont want to get rid of contraception, unless you want America to be like africa is now...

"Its against gods will!"

What about non religious people then? Should they have their personal freedoms diminshed because of your beliefs? So much for the land of the free.

Sorry guys but you haven't got a case.

well.. regardless, your personal beliefs aside,I have a different view..
my wife's been pregnant 8 months now, & guess what? that thing you say isn't alive, has a heartbeat, it occassionally gets the hickups, & continually grows everyday... I saw the ultrasound, & saw my baby's little face. If that's not life ...what is??? where did you come from??? just out of curiosity..how many children do you have? & have you ever watched a baby being born?
If anything in this world is a miracle, it's the creation of a new life.

PatrickM · Apr 19, 2004

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
I agree it is a terrible attitude to have, but you know what? Killing an INNOCENT baby is an even worse attitude.

Well put AA.

All else are red herrings. If you believe abortion is murder, then when is murder "acceptable"? Never.

And the "you're a male, you don't have a say" arguments are especially fallacious. My wife was raped months before we were wed, 24 years ago. Although I can't imagine the trauma she went through, no one can deny that a man, who loves such a person, doesn't feel the pain as well.

Four beautiful children later (no, she wasn't impregnated by the rape), we have discussed numerous times what we would have done, should she have become pregnant as a result of the rape. Never, never, did it occur to us to punish an innocent human by killing him/her, because he/she were the result of an unfortunate event.

ABORTION POLL 4 - LAST ONE... I Promise

Under what condition(s) should abortion be made an option?

None. Abortion is always wrong.

When there are serious risks to the mother's health.

When there are serious risks to the fetus/baby's health.

In cases of alleged rape.

In cases where rape has been proven in a court of law.

At or before the end of the first trimester.

At or before the end of the second trimester

Before the fetus/baby has reached natural viability

Always. Access to abortion should not be restricted.

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