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Why do so many people say it is the right of the woman to murder her child??!!?? Abortion is wrong period! Any thoughts?
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Abortion is wrong!
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spblat
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Oh yes, let's have this debate again. 
Abortion is awful. Late term abortions are worse. Worse still is to contemplate a society where women are not in control over their own bodies, or where sex education and access to contraceptive is unavailable because of fundamentalist hysteria.
Abortion is awful. Late term abortions are worse. Worse still is to contemplate a society where women are not in control over their own bodies, or where sex education and access to contraceptive is unavailable because of fundamentalist hysteria.
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Women not in control of their bodies? If they are not responsible enough to to take care of a child; they should of contimplated that before they went and had sex!
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This one again.
You're still telling women what to do with their bodies if you say "no sex unless you want a child".
I think it shows responsibility to have an abortion rather than having and raising a child you don't want.
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Ayn Rand and other bright thinkers have reasoned through the abortion issue and the website below best represents their conclusion. Its worth a look.
abortionisprolife(dot)com
abortionisprolife(dot)com
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Marblehead! So If A Woman Doesn't Want Her Child, Just Murder It???!!!??? Once The Sperm Hits The Egg, It's Alive!
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Besides, if you come up with that argument, than they should have their tubes tied if they don't want kids& still want "sexy time".Also, one can live without sex .
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You're a little young to have completely thought this through. I know this because your opinion was mine when I was your age
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Don't undermine me because of my age!!!!! (by the way: it's called a strong right arm. It is possible!)
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JESUSFREAK1354, it's not exactly your age that makes you a difficult debate partner for this topic. The problem is your inflammatory tone, your oversimplified arguments, and your apparent unwillingness to consider deeper issues. Perhaps if you look up "abortion" on wikipedia and review the many arguments on both sides, then we could discuss the merits of a particular issue. We'll be waiting patiently for you in the meantime.
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What, possible to live without sex? Of course it's possible. However, it shows a distinct lack of debate experience to bring up the fact that you're a literal [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] as an argument for anything. Do calm down a bit; your age is far less of a problem than your angry tone and excessive punctuation.
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Keep in mind, you are forcing a person to completely drop whatever dreams or aspirations they have to be responsible for another life, which is the strictest kind of house arrest, because of a stupid mistake. You are also asking a child to be born into what will probably be a life of poverty and hopelessness.
That being said, I am a firm believer in facing ones own consequences, and whether that's the guilt and debt a stuid partier must go through to put the child up for adoption or the strict, freedomless lifestyle he or she must go through to support this new life, this idiot who neither used a condom during sex or didn't use any of the dozens of new methods of birth control should pay the price to give the life the best life it can have.
This thread is pretty much pointless, basically because abortion is one of those brick-wall subjest; no one is going to change their opinion of it. so it all boils down to whether you think being born into, and possibly dieing in poverty is better or worse than never living at all.
I personally would never support any act of abortion, whether it be performing said task on a patient, putting my partner through it, or staying with my partner if she does it anyway, but I would definitely not forcibly stop a girl from getting an abortion. I also believe it is ok to have an abortion if the girl is raped, because I would never have a girl who has gone through the pain of forced sex and the terror of testifying against him have to go through the agony of labor and the guilt of putting it up for adoption, or the strict lifestyle of ahving to support it.
That being said, I am a firm believer in facing ones own consequences, and whether that's the guilt and debt a stuid partier must go through to put the child up for adoption or the strict, freedomless lifestyle he or she must go through to support this new life, this idiot who neither used a condom during sex or didn't use any of the dozens of new methods of birth control should pay the price to give the life the best life it can have.
This thread is pretty much pointless, basically because abortion is one of those brick-wall subjest; no one is going to change their opinion of it. so it all boils down to whether you think being born into, and possibly dieing in poverty is better or worse than never living at all.
I personally would never support any act of abortion, whether it be performing said task on a patient, putting my partner through it, or staying with my partner if she does it anyway, but I would definitely not forcibly stop a girl from getting an abortion. I also believe it is ok to have an abortion if the girl is raped, because I would never have a girl who has gone through the pain of forced sex and the terror of testifying against him have to go through the agony of labor and the guilt of putting it up for adoption, or the strict lifestyle of ahving to support it.
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It's frustrating, but not entirely pointless. It illustrates the collision point between faith and reason. It is a hallmark of the differences we will have to resolve if we are to be successful as a society.
And we don't even agree on what it "boils down to". It's not about choosing the greater or lesser evil of two bad outcomes. It's about rights, who has them, who doesn't, and (to a lesser extent) who's rights are more important. The post earlier in this thread from Bonkerz includes a link to a website whose FAQ very clearly lays out a strong rationalist argument for the permissibility of abortion. I hadn't considered parts of this argument before, and it has made me even more resolved in my conviction that no one is permitted to decide the abortion issue but the woman considering her own situation.
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Odd way of looking at caring for another person. Any person. Especially your own child. But I guess some look at it that way. They have their own needs to see to (granting that caring for children and realizing dreams are incompatable. I don't believe they are but, once again, each to their own. Who I am to judge?)
Better off dead, huh? Of course you might be wrong you know. We'll never know the baby being dead and all.
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You highlight on a good reason why I shifted from Pro-Choice to Pro-Life.
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Nope. Preserving human life is tho.
In my personal opinion, the zygote created in the fertilization is a unique human genome, DNA and all. In my opinion, this is more then just potential human life, but it is human life, albeit living through it's mother.
Case in point, When I worked as a EMT, I'd often get called to check on homless people living under bridges. Now, I offered them assistance, becuase they were human beings. I'd clean their cuts, bandge them up, etc, etc. With the same line of reasoning given by Peaceuponnus, I could have said, " These bums don't contribute anything. Why waste my skills and materials helping people who won't help themselves! They'll just continue being poor. "
Abortion is just simply inconsistent with my personal philosphy and ethics.
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