Abortion, is it ever the right thing to do?

[honorthesabbath]

Edited for double post

 

[Mankin]

Can I have an example of an exception please?

Please view my previous posts. Rape by family members, when the wife's life is at stake because of the pregnancy, that sort of thing.

 

[Mankin]

I'm silly. I didn't think on looking at the adventists official statement!!!

I am more careful when looking at "official statements" Not everyone agrees with official statements and some of them may be made by biast people. Don't take official statments as that is the one belief all Adventists hold.

 

[Dathen]

Of course, you have to check them thoughorouly, but they are most of the time well written and show appropraite texts, proving support from the Bible.

 

[Sophia7]

I am more careful when looking at "official statements" Not everyone agrees with official statements and some of them may be made by biast people. Don't take official statments as that is the one belief all Adventists hold.

In this case, I think the official Adventist guidelines on abortion don't take a strong enough stance against abortion.

 

[freeindeed2]

I am more careful when looking at "official statements" Not everyone agrees with official statements and some of them may be made by biast people. Don't take official statments as that is the one belief all Adventists hold.

If the 'official statements' are not what SDAism really teaches and expects members to believe and support with their money and time, why not change them?

Does the same apply to the 28 fundamental belief statements?

 

[Sophia7]

If the 'official statements' are not what SDAism really teaches and expects members to believe and support with their money and time, why not change them?

Does the same apply to the 28 fundamental belief statements?

It should, but will it ever? Probably not.

 

[Jimlarmore]

I have a serious problem with our hospitals performing abortions on demand as any other hospital would.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Dathen]

Well that's exactly the point. All normal hospitals around do abortions. If your not an adventist but the closest hospital around is an Adventist hospital, you're going to go there, like my aunty does. If you go to your nearest hospital and they say no, we won't do an abortion, that's not going to be good for the hospitals reputation, and the patient may have to travel very far to the next hospital.

Don't get me wrong. I'm against abortion. But what's written above may be what is thought by the hospitals.

What about staff at the hospital. Is it adventist?? If a person applies for a job, you can't turn tham don't because that's discrimination. So probably alot of doctors may not be adventists, just management and people high up in the hospital!!

 

[Sophia7]

I think that Adventist hospitals should refuse to offer abortions, regardless of potential financial implications or fear of losing patients or employees. What's right is right. Just as in any institution, those who want to work there have to agree to abide by the policies of the institution. If they want to work in a place that performs abortions, they can get a job elsewhere.

There is a provision in the official Adventist guidelines that prohibits hospitals from requiring health-care workers to participate in such procedures if they have religious or ethical objections to abortion. However, if I were considering employment in an SDA hospital, I would have serious religious and moral and ethical objections to their providing abortions in the first place. Simply not requiring workers to participate is not enough, in my opinion.

 

[freeindeed2]

It should, but will it ever? Probably not.

More specifically, if SDA's do not believe, or maybe accept, the 'official statements' the chruch makes (such as the case of their abortion statements), are they free to reject them and do their own 'thing', so to speak?

Are they then free to do the same with the 28 fundamental belief statements too? At what point would they no longer be considered an SDA as they pick and choose which they will and which they will not believe?

Are they all 'essential'? If yes, then how could even one of them be dropped or changed or adapted to fit an individual's belief? If you're going to be an SDA, shouldn't they all be embraced? If they aren't all 'essential', then why have them?

(Serious questions. No flaming intended at all! For real! Just asking.)

 

[Sophia7]

More specifically, if SDA's do not believe, or maybe accept, the 'official statements' the chruch makes (such as the case of their abortion statements), are they free to reject them and do their own 'thing', so to speak?

Are they then free to do the same with the 28 fundamental belief statements too? At what point would they no longer be considered an SDA as they pick and choose which they will and which they will not believe?

Are they all 'essential'? If yes, then how could even one of them be dropped or changed or adapted to fit an individual's belief? If you're going to be an SDA, shouldn't they all be embraced? If they aren't all 'essential', then why have them?

(Serious questions. No flaming intended at all! For real! Just asking.)

As one who now disagrees with a few of the 28 fundamental beliefs, I don't know. I definitely don't think they should be used as a creed. I would be in favor of major revisions and simplifications of them (and complete elimination of those that are unbiblical). I think those who disagree with the current list of 28 should be free to stay in the church if they want to and be open about what they believe, without censure.

As for me, I'm not sure yet if I can or should stay. There's so much baggage that goes along with some of these doctrines, especially the sanctuary/IJ, even in their current formulations (not the views advocated by Historics or LGTists), that I'm not sure if pushing for revision and a more Evangelical focus is even worthwhile. I wouldn't be surprised if the Adventist Church eventually split.

 

[Dathen]

if you go to this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
and look at the millerite movement denominations there are many. I wouldn't be surprised if the SDA church split, and split and split. It already has and is currently doing. though it don't go half and half, many people form their own groups and heaps of other people follow. There are so many SDA offshoots that hate SDA's.

 

[Mankin]

There are a ton of conservative Adventists cults and liberal Adventist cults as well. I remember seeing one sign in Louisvilee from an Adventist cult that said, "Sabbath is the seventh day, Sunday is the day of the beast." Pretty pathetic and it makes us look hateful.

 

[Dathen]

Good luck for them to convert new people from sunday keepers.......LOL.

 

[Mankin]

Yeah, lol.