Abortion, is it ever the right thing to do?

[reddogs]

I want you to try to remember when you were young and carefree, and a girlfriend or friends came and asked you what they should do as they were pregnant......

Do you still hold to those views.........
Is abortion ever the right thing to do?

 

[NightEternal]

Perhaps we should ask some of our own denominational hospitals like White Memorial and others who perform abortion on demand that question.

Reports from nurses and physicians who have left the church over this issue reveal the sad state of affairs in our medical institutions. Some SDA hospitals have become abortion mills, and official denominational policy has allowed it.

Maybe we should also ask the GC admin who had the audacity to declare the Adventist church pro-choice with no regard to those who are pro-life.

The GC does not speak for me and my own private views. I am pro-life and always have been.

Say what you will about Rome. They have put us Adventists to shame in thier stand on this issue.

That being said, I do believe that there are special considerations that may require the termination of the pregnancy, but they are few and far between.

Giving the baby up for adoption is always a good option for unwanted pregnancies.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

this is pretty sad.

I spent 2 years at puc and i had some professors that taught there were the one who wrote the ethics for the church including the Abortion statment. They are shifty getting them nailed down on anything is a real challange. they speack out of both sides of there mouth.

 

[reddogs]

But have you had someone you were close to or good friend come up and desperately ask for help and how did you help them?

 

[NightEternal]

No.

But if I did, I would counsel them to find any other avenue or consider any other option outside of abortion.

 

[freeindeed2]

But have you had someone you were close to or good friend come up and desperately ask for help and how did you help them?

I've had a few individuals over the years seek advice for what they should do after getting pregnant. They usually didn't want anyone to know. They wanted to hide it. It's natural for us to try and hide the things we do wrong and try and escape the consequences. They wrestled with their desire to avoid the consequence contrasted with the moral decision of terminating a life, their own offspring, knit together in their womb in the image of God. If killing the baby was the right thing to do, they wouldn't be wrestling with it at all because they would natrually want to avoid the consequence.

I didn't say much, but I certainly didn't leave them with the impression that abortion was the right choice. They all chose life, and my own kids are friends with a couple of those almost aborted babies (no longer babies now, of course). I'm sure I was not the only influence on them, but two of the mom's have thanked me (and my wife) for talking them out of aborting their child.

 

[reddogs]

No.

But if I did, I would counsel them to find any other avenue or consider any other option outside of abortion.

That is what people "say", but you and I both know sometimes there is a wide gulf from what people say or are told to say or do by others and what they actually "do".

Maybe we need someone that works in the medical field or counseling, that might tell us what is considered and advised before a abortion......

 

[Jimlarmore]

I had to fight tooth and nail to save my grandson from being killed before he was born. His grandmother, my ex-wife , wanted our daughter to go and get an abortion but she listened to her dad. Now this very grandson is her favorite grand child. I planted a tree on a hill on my farm the day he was born to celebrate and mark the day as a memorial.

I don't believe in murdering any innocent life. There is something terribly wrong with a nation/world that sytematically comits murder in the womb. My ex-wife used to ask me what if I got raped and become pregnant from the rape. I asked her right back, if the baby was at fault for what the dad did? IOW, Why punish or murder the innocent baby for something the father did. If you couldn't raise the baby give it up for adoption. There are always plenty of good couples that are having trouble conceiving that would make good parents.

Unless it is to save the mothers life only abortion is wrong.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[NightEternal]

This could be a rare moment. Something we all seem to agree on!

 

[reddogs]

This could be a rare moment. Something we all seem to agree on!

I dont think there is really that much we disagree on, it is just on the steps we take on our path to salvation. As long as we are on the path, God will see us through and give us strenght to reach the end...

 

[Mankin]

The only time abortion is okay is when the woman's life is at stake, or some cases of rape. Also, if the child will be horribly deformed or something because of incest or any other reason, then abortion might be okay.

 

[reddogs]

The only time abortion is okay is when the woman's life is at stake, or some cases of rape. Also, if the child will be horribly deformed or something because of incest or any other reason, then abortion might be okay.

But would you tell that or give that as advice to your girfriend or close friend who came and told you that she was pregnant and from incest, rape or being taken advantage against her will in some way.

 

[annie1speed]

Adoption is what I would encourage. There are many childless couples who would love to adopt that child and raise him/her as their own. That is a precious soul we are talking about. If in a case of rape, and if the child would be a constant reminder of the experience, I would still encourage adoption over abortion.

 

[reddogs]

Adoption is what I would encourage. There are many childless couples who would love to adopt that child and raise him/her as their own. That is a precious soul we are talking about. If in a case of rape, and if the child would be a constant reminder of the experience, I would still encourage adoption over abortion.

That usually is the best choice, but many young people dont even consider it as it will mark them for the rest of their lives as that child may come looking for them someday and expose their sin.

Hiding their sin is preferable to some thus they perpetrate a greater sin.......

 

[Mankin]

But would you tell that or give that as advice to your girfriend or close friend who came and told you that she was pregnant and from incest, rape or being taken advantage against her will in some way.

I would tell her that she could give it up for adoption if she could not stand the idea of actually raising a child created by rape. If it was my girlfriend, I would defintely encourage her to give it up for adoption.

 

[reddogs]

I would tell her that she could give it up for adoption if she could not stand the idea of actually raising a child created by rape. If it was my girlfriend, I would defintely encourage her to give it up for adoption.

You would not think of maybe marrying her and taking (adopting) the child as your own?

 

[JonDavis]

I would say we in the church should stand up and do someting about allowing this to go on in our hospitals but as I talk to those in church they seem to be ok with it.
I believe this is murder, and we say we keep the commandments of God.

Let this be done outside our church, we know the Jews as a whole got punished for what a few did there at the cross of Jesus when they said "let his blood be on us and on our children".

We may have to answer for this on judgment day when Jesus asks why we let these policies of sin continue.

 

[annie1speed]

I have a question about these abortions on demand at these medical facilities. Do you think it is about money? What I mean is do they get support from the government for some patients (Welfare?) and so they must be willing to do certain 'procedures' or else they don't get the money?

I was just thinking - (I know I should stop that.)

Annie

 

[Mankin]

You would not think of maybe marrying her and taking (adopting) the child as your own?

No, I would not adopt the child as my own. It would be hard for me to accept a child that I knew had been caused by rape and was not really my own. Also, I would not want to get married and immediatley have a child to raise.

 

[Mankin]

This is a true story. There was a pastor(don't remember his name) who felt so strongly about pro life that he murdered an abortion doctor. He received the death sentence but he said that he was dying for God. It seemed very hypocritical, for he cares so much about a baby's life yet he does not care about ending the life of another person. A life is a life, murder is murder.