Abortion - "As early as possible, as late as necessary"

[The Seeker]

Personally, I'm of the school of thought regarding abortion that while abortion should be avoided if possible and that an early abortion is preferable to a late abortion, it is ultimately a medical decision that the woman concerned must make for herself. Hence I believe that abortion should be governed by the principle of "As early as possible, as late as necessary", particularly in cases where continuing with the pregnancy would be harmful to the woman.

Thoughts?

 

[sanaa]

i agree

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The moment a person is conceived until the day they lie down at the end of their life, they are prescious and worth protecting. To destroy them at any stage in between is murder.

 

[sower of cheer]

Both involves taking lives and putting them on the edge of a rumbling volcano. Who are we to judge?

 

[The Seeker]

The moment a person is conceived until the day they lie down at the end of their life, they are prescious and worth protecting. To destroy them at any stage in between is murder.

You are aware the vast majority of ferilised eggs are aborted without direct human intervention, right? And wouldn't your line of reasoning make any woman who uses the morning after pill a mass murderer?

Also, its not as cut and dry as that, a fetus can't even feel pain up until the 20th week, cerebral cortex activity doesn't begin until the 24th week. Are you saying that an inanimate clump of cells is more important than a human life because it superficially resembles a baby?

 

[The Seeker]

Both involves taking lives and putting them on the edge of a rumbling volcano. Who are we to judge?

Eh?

 

[sower of cheer]

I meant it is hard to decide whether it's right to abort a baby whether it's done earlier, later or whensoever. My doctors told my mom (when I was wedged between two cysts in her womb) that she might need an abortion... Thank Providence it didn't happen.

 

[Phred]

Personally, I'm of the school of thought regarding abortion that while abortion should be avoided if possible and that an early abortion is preferable to a late abortion, it is ultimately a medical decision that the woman concerned must make for herself. Hence I believe that abortion should be governed by the principle of "As early as possible, as late as necessary", particularly in cases where continuing with the pregnancy would be harmful to the woman.

Absolutely.

A person must have the right to determine what happens to their own bodies. We don't force people to donate blood or organs. Even the most rabid anti-choice activist doesn't suggest that we begin to judge the value of a life, choosing who lives and dies by their value. We don't force organ donations from the homeless to presidents and senators. Nor does anyone suggest such a thing. Yet, add a person who has not yet been born into the equation and suddenly it's ok to force a woman to donate her body's resources and risk her life.

These people are making a choice. They're choosing the illusion of innocence over a known sinner. After all, if a woman is pregnant she must have sinned to get that way. She wants to abort so she's a murderer too. These are the same people who see no problem with calling themselves pro-life and still supporting capital punishment.

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[progressivegal]

That's a good way of looking at it. I think that Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

 

[Mashley]

I think abortion is wrong, no matter how far along the pregnancy is.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

You are aware the vast majority of ferilised eggs are aborted without direct human intervention, right?

If a child has done what God want's them to complete within such an amount of time and chooses to take their souls home, that is His concern.

And wouldn't your line of reasoning make any woman who uses the morning after pill a mass murderer?

That is exactly my sentiment.

Also, its not as cut and dry as that, a fetus can't even feel pain up until the 20th week, cerebral cortex activity doesn't begin until the 24th week. Are you saying that an inanimate clump of cells is more important than a human life because it superficially resembles a baby?

Well, that is all nice and fluffy sounding but something you are in left field about. Ever seen the 11 week baby reaching out of the womb to hold the doctors finger? How about the video "the silent scream" of a 11 week old infant who is desperately trying to avoid the suction that is ripping it to shreds? There are many evidences quite to the contrary of what you propose. These are just lies invented by the abortion industry to try and make the murder process more comfy for the person who should have been a mom.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I meant it is hard to decide whether it's right to abort a baby whether it's done earlier, later or whensoever. My doctors told my mom (when I was wedged between two cysts in her womb) that she might need an abortion... Thank Providence it didn't happen.

It is not hard to decide at all. And as someone who claims to be a Christian, you should know better.

 

[The Seeker]

If a child has done what God want's them to complete within such an amount of time and chooses to take their souls home, that is His concern.

Don't let your dogma eat your karma mate.

That is exactly my sentiment.

So you consider a single cell embryo to be on a par with a human being?

Well, that is all nice and fluffy sounding but something you are in left field about. Ever seen the 11 week baby reaching out of the womb to hold the doctors finger? How about the video "the silent scream" of a 11 week old infant who is desperately trying to avoid the suction that is ripping it to shreds?

Sorry, I don't watch BS anti-woman propaganda films.

There are many evidences quite to the contrary of what you propose. These are just lies invented by the abortion industry to try and make the murder process more comfy for the person who should have been a mom.

Fine then, the entire medical establishment and peer reviewed science journals are lying because...?

 

[Westvleteren]

These are just lies invented by the abortion industry to try and make the murder process more comfy for the person who should have been a mom.

This, from someone who has never had to make that choice and never will.
Walk a mile in the shoes of a woman who's been there and see how easy it is to cast stones.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The moment a person is conceived until the day they lie down at the end of their life, they are prescious and worth protecting. To destroy them at any stage in between is murder.

Well that's simply false. Murder is a legal term; the illegal killing of a human. Since abortion is legal, it's not murder. I realise you like to use nice inflammatory terms to try to sway the debate to your side, but you could at least TRY to be accurate.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Don't let your dogma eat your karma mate.

karma. LOL!! Oh, that crud kills me.

So you consider a single cell embryo to be on a par with a human being?

No, I consider life in any stage to be as valuable as the next.

Sorry, I don't watch BS anti-woman propaganda films.

What a wonderful excuse to excuse your ignorance on this issue.

Fine then, the entire medical establishment and peer reviewed science journals are lying because...?

Because they are money hungry murdering scum?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

This, from someone who has never had to make that choice and never will.
Walk a mile in the shoes of a woman who's been there and see how easy it is to cast stones.

Oh, boo hoo. I feel no empathy for the woman. I feel for the child who was torn to pieces. She made her bed, she can sleep in it. Am I supposed to feel sorry for someone who chose to kill? NO! Not for Dahmer. Not for Gacey. Not for Bundy. And not for anyone who has killed their baby including pushing the car with them into a lake, drowning them in the tub, and having a "dr." kill them for her. I am betting you see the first two child killings as wrong but can justify the last because it "isn't convenient."

I personally know two people who have killed their child. I love them with all my heart. I do not, however feel bad for them and neither do they. Praise God they have sought forgiveness for their sin and are now working to stop the murder industry. But there is still dead babies and they will live with that knowlege for the rest of their lives. Lives the babies never got the chance at, btw.

So please, save me the "walk a mile in my shoes" diatribe. How about the murdering mother walks a mile in the childs shoes she just killed?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Well that's simply false. Murder is a legal term; the illegal killing of a human. Since abortion is legal, it's not murder. I realise you like to use nice inflammatory terms to try to sway the debate to your side, but you could at least TRY to be accurate.

I didn't know accuracy or truth was even something the pro-MURDER side was aquainted with.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I didn't know accuracy or truth was even something the pro-MURDER side was aquainted with.

I don't know; I've never known anyone who is pro-murder, much less a 'side' that is pro-murder.

I've never even heard of anyone who is pro-abortion; I know of many who are pro-choice.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I don't know; I've never known anyone who is pro-murder, much less a 'side' that is pro-murder.

I've never even heard of anyone who is pro-abortion; I know of many who are pro-choice.

Choice? poppycock. Does the baby get a choice?