Aborting Jesus Christ.

[RoanokeIllinois]

Aborting Jesus Christ. Democrat Politicians, believe that a woman's body is her own, and not the temple of Christ. Every Abortion is perfectly fine with them, because it's a woman's choice, in their eyes. So there is not exceptions to this rule.

So, Democrat Politicians, would have been perfectly fine, if Mary would have Aborted Jesus Christ, because they would have supported her choice.

Also, it's not an abortion, if the baby would kill the mother, in order to have it. It's simply protecting the mother's life. Huge difference, between that, and murdering an innocent child of God, and one of his creations, by having an abortion.

Hence, in conclusion, Abortion is the ultimate sin!

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

Thank God the blessed virgin Mary did not live in the US of A.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Aborting Jesus Christ. Democrat Politicians, believe that a woman's body is her own, and not the temple of Christ. Every Abortion is perfectly fine with them, because it's a woman's choice, in their eyes. So there is not exceptions to this rule.

So, Democrat Politicians, would have been perfectly fine, if Mary would have Aborted Jesus Christ, because they would have supported her choice.

Also, it's not an abortion, if the baby would kill the mother, in order to have it. It's simply protecting the mother's life. Huge difference, between that, and murdering an innocent child of God, and one of his creations, by having an abortion.

Hence, in conclusion, Abortion is the ultimate sin!

I wouldn’t say it is the ultimate sin, but it is sin and it breaks one of the Ten Commandments. Moses broke this commandment (murder) and repented with a sorry heart and was forgiven. Abortion is definitely a sin and sad so many people view it as okay.

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

Thank God the blessed virgin Mary did not live in the US of A.

Many countries I do believe allow Abortion at some stages, currently in todays society.

It is sad, that they allow it. Evil, is great at evolving. Amongst humans, evil seems to get worse with time. Some call it evolving in general. I call it Evil overall. There are some ways in which we have evolved that are good. Such as medical advances, but overall, there are a lot more bad things. Such as morality. Allowing Abortion. Allowing Lifelong felons to vote in prisons. No cash bail, and much worse things that I can't, or won't talk about on here.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Ok… So using that logic, pro-choice people would have supported Hitler’s mom if she sought an abortion. Therefore abortion must be an ok thing to get sometimes.

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

Ok… So using that logic, pro-choice people would have supported Hitler’s mom if she sought an abortion. Therefore abortion must be an ok thing to get sometimes.

You're missing the point. Democrat Politicians, are going to support a woman's right to have an Abortion, no matter whom it is. That means, if Benjamin Franklin's mother wanted one, or Martin Luther King Jr.'s mother wanted one, or if Harriet Tubman's mother wanted one, or Albert Einstein's mother wanted one, or if Abraham Lincoln's mother wanted one(the 16th President of the United States, that freed the Slaves?).

And since, the Democrat Politicians in America, have gone so radically left wing, and Socialist with Anarchy, I was simply describing the opposite of the radical left-wing.

The Liberal politicians are constantly radical and to the extreme. I was simply giving an example, that democrat politicians would be fine with aborting the Son of God, because, they're fine with any abortion, past, present or future, no matter how it would effect the World.

God created Science. God created mankind. God created babies. Just because democrat politicians want to act like gods, doesn't mean that they're.

you talk about aborting people like hitler. Hitler was evil, there is no doubt about that, but murdering a baby is evil, and morally and ethically wrong.

What you're talking about, is more of a Socialistic type mentality. "what is good for one is good for all.".

Could you kill baby Hitler, if you could go back in time, and have the chance to do so? I couldn't. An act of Evil, never Justifies another act of Evil. Murder is Murder.

And that is why, even though I am a Conservative, and many Conservatives would dislike this about me, I don't believe in capital punishment. I don't blindly follow my party, like most do, on both sides of the political spectrum.

You see, I personally believe, that only God has the right to judge someone. Which means, even though that murderers and rapists on death row are sick and immoral people, that made their choices in life, it still doesn't mean that any of us, have the right to put them to death. For, only God has the right to judge someone. Putting someone in prison for life, and putting someone to death, are two entirely different things. Just because the politicians have it backwards, doesn't mean I have to believe their crap.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You're missing the point. Democrat Politicians, are going to support a woman's right to have an Abortion, no matter whom it is. That means, if Benjamin Franklin's mother wanted one, or Martin Luther King Jr.'s mother wanted one, or if Harriet Tubman's mother wanted one, or Albert Einstein's mother wanted one, or if Abraham Lincoln's mother wanted one(the 16th President of the United States, that freed the Slaves?).

Or Osama bin Laden’s mother. Or Saddam Hussein’s mother. Or Stalin’s mother. Or…

And since, the Democrat Politicians in America, have gone so radically left wing, and Socialist with Anarchy, I was simply describing the opposite of the radical left-wing.

The Liberal politicians are constantly radical and to the extreme. I was simply giving an example, that democrat politicians would be fine with aborting the Son of God, because, they're fine with any abortion, past, present or future, no matter how it would effect the World.

It’s kind of a logical fallacy, but I’m not sure that it matters to you.

God created Science. God created mankind. God created babies. Just because democrat politicians want to act like gods, doesn't mean that they're.

Ok…?

you talk about aborting people like hitler. Hitler was evil, there is no doubt about that, but murdering a baby is evil, and morally and ethically wrong.

What you're talking about, is more of a Socialistic type mentality. "what is good for one is good for all.".

Could you kill baby Hitler, if you could go back in time, and have the chance to do so? I couldn't. An act of Evil, never Justifies another act of Evil. Murder is Murder.

I’m not touching this hypothetical or your rationalizing of it with a 10 foot poll.

And that is why, even though I am a Conservative, and many Conservatives would dislike this about me, I don't believe in capital punishment. I don't blindly follow my party, like most do, on both sides of the political spectrum.

Again, ok…?

You see, I personally believe, that only God has the right to judge someone. Which means, even though that murderers and rapists on death row are sick and immoral people, that made their choices in life, it still doesn't mean that any of us, have the right to put them to death. For, only God has the right to judge someone. Putting someone in prison for life, and putting someone to death, are two entirely different things. Just because the politicians have it backwards, doesn't mean I have to believe their crap.

LoL, “ for only God has the right to judge someone…” Unless they’re a Democrat. Or a liberal. Or a socialist. Or pro-choice. Then we shall write entire posts judging them.

 

[Strong in Him]

Aborting Jesus Christ. Democrat Politicians, believe that a woman's body is her own, and not the temple of Christ.

If someone doesn't believe in God and/or accept Christ, we cannot expect them to obey God's word.
Their bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit if they do not believe in him and have not received him.

Hence, in conclusion, Abortion is the ultimate sin!

Rejecting Jesus is the ultimate sin.
A woman can have an abortion, repent, confess and be forgiven. Someone who rejects Christ will not have God's forgiveness while they continue to reject him.

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

If someone doesn't believe in God and/or accept Christ, we cannot expect them to obey God's word.
Their bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit if they do not believe in him and have not received him.



Rejecting Jesus is the ultimate sin.
A woman can have an abortion, repent, confess and be forgiven. Someone who rejects Christ will not have God's forgiveness while they continue to reject him.

If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they. Eccl. 5:8

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

Or Osama bin Laden’s mother. Or Saddam Hussein’s mother. Or Stalin’s mother. Or…



It’s kind of a logical fallacy, but I’m not sure that it matters to you.



Ok…?



I’m not touching this hypothetical or your rationalizing of it with a 10 foot poll.



Again, ok…?



LoL, “ for only God has the right to judge someone…” Unless they’re a Democrat. Or a liberal. Or a socialist. Or pro-choice. Then we shall write entire posts judging them.

Murder is one of the most ultimate sins.
murdering babies, or human adults.
Many adults that murder other adults are on drugs.


One act of evil, never justifies another.
I asked a question that you never answered. Would you be able to murder these people as a baby, that you talk about?

hitler, saddam, stalin, etc. First off, I could never, and would never. Not them as children. 2nd. Murder in general is immoral, so I couldn't murder anyone, no matter how much I disliked them. We have laws for reasons. Partially, so Anarchy isn't available. and 3rd, even if you could go back in time, and kill them as an adult, it doesn't mean, that someone even worse couldn't arise, because you maybe possibly have gotten rid of one of them. For you would be changing history in general, and nobody knows how that would re-arrange the then future/present.

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

If someone doesn't believe in God and/or accept Christ, we cannot expect them to obey God's word.
Their bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit if they do not believe in him and have not received him.



Rejecting Jesus is the ultimate sin.
A woman can have an abortion, repent, confess and be forgiven. Someone who rejects Christ will not have God's forgiveness while they continue to reject him.

"Their bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit if they do not believe in him and have not received him."
Everyone's body is the temple of Christ, because we are all his Children. Weather or not we accept him, is an entirely different story. We were all created in his image.
So I have no clue where you're coming from on this issue?
By the way, it says that in the Bible.

You do believe in God, correct? I ask, because this is the Christians only part of this site.
I apologize if you did not know the above, in questioning your faith in him, but it simply confuses me, because I thought that most adults that believe in him, would easily know the above.

So, in your eyes, aborting Jesus Christ, would have been ok?
and you're perfectly fine with murdering innocent babies?
and think that it's perfectly fine for humans to judge other humans?

once again, if you have answered yes to either one of these 3 above questions, i would question your faith in him. BECAUSE! ONLY GOD HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE!

 

[Strong in Him]

"Their bodies are not the temple of the Holy Spirit if they do not believe in him and have not received him."
Everyone's body is the temple of Christ, because we are all his Children.

God created everyone in his image, certainly.
Everyone has been made by God whether they know him or not. St Augustine said that in each person there is a God shaped hole which only he can fill. An old Church Collect says "you have made us for yourself, and our hearts are restless til they find our rest in you".
I understand that "common grace" is something that God gives to everyone because he is their maker

But a person cannot become a child of God unless they believe in Jesus, John 1:12.
They cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven unless they are born again, John 3:3.
They have not been made new creations unless they have received Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
It is the Holy Spirit who confirms that people are children of God, Romans 8:16-17, and by whom we can call God Abba.
No one can declare that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:3.
And a person cannot be filled with the Holy Spirit unless they are a believer - otherwise you are saying that God's Holy Spirit can live in a Muslim or an atheist.

You do believe in God, correct? I ask, because this is the Christians only part of this site.

I know, and yes I do.

So, in your eyes, aborting Jesus Christ, would have been ok?

No, and I didn't say that it would have been.
I only made the comment that abortion is not the ultimate sin - it can't be, because women can be forgiven for abortion.

and you're perfectly fine with murdering innocent babies?

Nowhere did I say that I was perfectly fine with murdering innocent babies.

and think that it's perfectly fine for humans to judge other humans?

I didn't even mention judging other humans - it is you who has questioned my faith.

BECAUSE! ONLY GOD HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE!

Yes - so why ask if I know God and question my faith?
All I was saying was that we can't force God's commands and standards onto people who may not believe in God.

Look at it another way.
To a Hindu, the cow is a sacred animal - I doubt they would even think of eating it. If a Hindu saw one of us eating a beef burger or a roast beef dinner, they might well be horrified and consider that we are sinning. But they could not force us to abstain from beef - unless we were in a Hindu country. Why? Because we do not believe that a cow is a sacred animal, and we are permitted to eat beef.

I'm not comparing babies to cows and I'm not condoning abortion, in case you think that I am.
I am saying that people who do not share our beliefs in God and try to live holy lives as he is holy, will not have the same standards, goals, priorities and faith as we have.

Furthermore, a non believer will not go to hell because they have had an abortion - they will go to hell if they reject Jesus.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Murder is one of the most ultimate sins.
murdering babies, or human adults.
Many adults that murder other adults are on drugs.


One act of evil, never justifies another.
I asked a question that you never answered. Would you be able to murder these people as a baby, that you talk about?

hitler, saddam, stalin, etc. First off, I could never, and would never. Not them as children. 2nd. Murder in general is immoral, so I couldn't murder anyone, no matter how much I disliked them. We have laws for reasons. Partially, so Anarchy isn't available. and 3rd, even if you could go back in time, and kill them as an adult, it doesn't mean, that someone even worse couldn't arise, because you maybe possibly have gotten rid of one of them. For you would be changing history in general, and nobody knows how that would re-arrange the then future/present.

Again, not touching that rationalization of yours with a 10 foot pole. Now that you’ve doubled down, I wouldn’t touch it with a 20 foot pole. The sanctity of Hitler’s life and how not stopping him could make you a hero…? Nope. Not doing it.

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

God created everyone in his image, certainly.
Everyone has been made by God whether they know him or not. St Augustine said that in each person there is a God shaped hole which only he can fill. An old Church Collect says "you have made us for yourself, and our hearts are restless til they find our rest in you".
I understand that "common grace" is something that God gives to everyone because he is their maker

But a person cannot become a child of God unless they believe in Jesus, John 1:12.
They cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven unless they are born again, John 3:3.
They have not been made new creations unless they have received Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
It is the Holy Spirit who confirms that people are children of God, Romans 8:16-17, and by whom we can call God Abba.
No one can declare that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:3.
And a person cannot be filled with the Holy Spirit unless they are a believer - otherwise you are saying that God's Holy Spirit can live in a Muslim or an atheist.



I know, and yes I do.



No, and I didn't say that it would have been.
I only made the comment that abortion is not the ultimate sin - it can't be, because women can be forgiven for abortion.



Nowhere did I say that I was perfectly fine with murdering innocent babies.



I didn't even mention judging other humans - it is you who has questioned my faith.



Yes - so why ask if I know God and question my faith?
All I was saying was that we can't force God's commands and standards onto people who may not believe in God.

Look at it another way.
To a Hindu, the cow is a sacred animal - I doubt they would even think of eating it. If a Hindu saw one of us eating a beef burger or a roast beef dinner, they might well be horrified and consider that we are sinning. But they could not force us to abstain from beef - unless we were in a Hindu country. Why? Because we do not believe that a cow is a sacred animal, and we are permitted to eat beef.

I'm not comparing babies to cows and I'm not condoning abortion, in case you think that I am.
I am saying that people who do not share our beliefs in God and try to live holy lives as he is holy, will not have the same standards, goals, priorities and faith as we have.

Furthermore, a non believer will not go to hell because they have had an abortion - they will go to hell if they reject Jesus.

I do apologize. Abortion is very sinful. I should have been more specific. Abortion of God. How would you rate that, on the sin-o-meter level?

We shall have to agree to disagree. We are all God's children. It simply comes down to weather or not we accept him, as an individual choice or not.

What brings us together and unites all of us, is that we are all his children.
What divides us, is who is going to fight for him, or against him. Who denies him, or accepts him. Who spreads his words, or hinders it. Whilst at the same time, it unites us believers, against those whom don't.


"All I was saying was that we can't force God's commands and standards onto people who may not believe in God."
I don't see spreading God's word as "forcing" God's commands on anyone.

I'm not questioning God, and would never. I'm questioning you. Weather or not you answer, is entirely your choice.

We can however spread his word, and if people accept it or not, that is up to them.
Unfortunately, many non-believers, take the spreading of God's word, as a personal attack, and as us believers "forcing" God's word and standards upon them.

Which is why I find it "ironic" that you phrased it that way.
Especially, since when learning about God, certain things are taught from the get go. Such as, that we are all God's children, no matter who we are, and that Believers in God should spread his word, and that it's an individual's choice to make, and no believer, can make that ultimate choice for any non-believer, we can simply just spread the Bible, and teach them about God.

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

Again, not touching that rationalization of yours with a 10 foot pole. Now that you’ve doubled down, I wouldn’t touch it with a 20 foot pole. The sanctity of Hitler’s life and how not stopping him could make you a hero…? Nope. Not doing it.

Do you believe to kill someone is a sin? This is the second time you've avoided answering my simple question. Would you be ok murdering baby hitler? or killing hitler yourself even as an adult?
so are for the death penalty, or against it?

There is a huge difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it. It's called "Self Control". It separates us as humans, from the moral, and non-immoral. At the different levels of sin in the World. For we all have bad in us to some degree. However, there is a huge difference between Good, Bad, and Evil. and you can quote me on that, if you'd like.

Because, even whilst, I am a Conservative when it comes to most things in America, there are 2 major things, that I am proud to say, that I do not blindly follow my party on, and the reason that is, is because of my faith.

You see, to me, the U.S. Politicians have it backwards. All abortion should be illegal. and all Death penalty, should be as well. yes, they should get life in prison without the possibility of parole, or any special treatment, or oddidties, besides the bare needs to live. I'm talking about baby killers, and murderers of living people.

For only God has the right, to make that ultimate judgement.

And 2, even though I love the country, and am a country boy, and always will be, I think that it is morally and ethically wrong to hunt for "sport". Now if I needed food to survive, or needed clothing because it was the dead of winter, and I was freezing to death, then yes, I would kill out of necessity.

But necessity and sport, are two entirely different things!

I believe that is how God would feel about both of the subjects as well, here on this Earth.

Another thing: to any I dunno if it's vegans or vegetarians, but God ate fish, and multiplied it for several more in the Bible. just saying.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Do you believe to kill someone is a sin? This is the second time you've avoided answering my simple question. Would you be ok murdering baby hitler? or killing hitler yourself even as an adult?
so are for the death penalty, or against it?

There is a huge difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it. It's called "Self Control". It separates us as humans, from the moral, and non-immoral. At the different levels of sin in the World. For we all have bad in us to some degree. However, there is a huge difference between Good, Bad, and Evil. and you can quote me on that, if you'd like.

Because, even whilst, I am a Conservative when it comes to most things in America, there are 2 major things, that I am proud to say, that I do not blindly follow my party on, and the reason that is, is because of my faith.

You see, to me, the U.S. Politicians have it backwards. All abortion should be illegal. and all Death penalty, should be as well. yes, they should get life in prison without the possibility of parole, or any special treatment, or oddidties, besides the bare needs to live. I'm talking about baby killers, and murderers of living people.

For only God has the right, to make that ultimate judgement.

And 2, even though I love the country, and am a country boy, and always will be, I think that it is morally and ethically wrong to hunt for "sport". Now if I needed food to survive, or needed clothing because it was the dead of winter, and I was freezing to death, then yes, I would kill out of necessity.

But necessity and sport, are two entirely different things!

I believe that is how God would feel about both of the subjects as well, here on this Earth.

Another thing: to any I dunno if it's vegans or vegetarians, but God ate fish, and multiplied it for several more in the Bible. just saying.

I am a moderate. I am pro-choice. I am pro-capital punishment. Hunting for sport is neither here nor there for me on most occasions.

And you have wandered waaaaay off track.

 

[The Liturgist]

Thank God the blessed virgin Mary did not live in the US of A.

She would not have aborted our Lord anyway. By the way abortions did happen in the ancient Roman Empire but the Romans viewed them as immoral, and frankly when the same dudes who readily embraced gladiatorial combat, licentious behavior in the public baths, and other extreme sins agree abortion is immoral, I feel it should be obvious the act is beyond the pale. Its a bit like the Derlewanger Brigade of convicts whose behavior in the field was so atrocious the Nazis themselves put them on trial for war crimes.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Well, that’s not actually true.

Ancient Greeks and Romans had no problems with abortion as long as the man consented to it. Aristotle even said that there was nothing immoral with an abortion for those who were in poverty or had enough children already and it was the humane thing to do as they’d determined a fetus had no sentience until birth (though Aristotle was more progressive; he said sentience started 60 days after first movement was detected for if the fetus was male, 80 days after if the fetus was female). If a woman sought an abortion without permission, then it was a punishable offense not because it was a crime committed against the fetus, but because it was a crime committed against the father of the child. The father had an inalienable right to offspring and if he was denied that right by not being informed of a pregnancy or an abortion, he could seek damages. Damages were usually being banished for about a year and forfeiture of property, if there was any to forfeit.

His advocacy for abortion was actually quite progressive as the preferred way to deal with unwanted children was infanticide. Infanticide was widely and openly practiced and was not a legal or moral issue. In fact, if the baby was deformed or imperfect (suspicious moles, freckles, birthmarks, etc), you were allowed to dispatch said baby up to a couple of months after birth without a problem. Female children were usually suffocated right away and disposed of in the sewers as they believed infants didn’t require burials. Male children would be suffocated for being weak or sickly, or sometimes by their parents who didn’t want to see their children abducted by the government to be used for the notoriously tough and inhumane military. Recent archeological discoveries have led people to find out that entire sections of Roman baths were devoted to women seeking abortion or ritualistically killing their newborns and disposing of them in the sewer.

In their society it was Aristotle who was the crying Liberal nut for having the insane thought that infanticide wasn’t ok and that a fetus had any level of consciousness while in the womb. But even then, he as totally ok with abortion right on through to 27-35 weeks.

 

[Danthemailman]

Christians slam Newsom for 'disgusting' pro-abortion billboards quoting Jesus: 'Satanic'

Christians slam Newsom for 'disgusting' pro-abortion billboards quoting Jesus: 'Satanic'

 

[RoanokeIllinois]

I am a moderate. I am pro-choice. I am pro-capital punishment. Hunting for sport is neither here nor there for me on most occasions.

And you have wandered waaaaay off track.

I personally, can't see how anyone that is ok with abortion, especially for a party that is ok with abortion across the board in all of it's forms, no matter what terms, and no matter if it was past present or future, could believe in God.

Especially, when Democrat Politicians would have been perfectly fine with Aborting Jesus.

I don't see how any so called "believer" in Christ would be ok with Aborting Christ? because logic and morality, would say that any true believer wouldn't be ok with that.

Then again, when I was like 5 years old or around then, I busted open my head, and got 16 stiches in the side of my head, so maybe it's just me, and my horrible brain damage. lol.