Abomination of desolation? When?

[Markwsmith2020]

When? Or was it in 70 AD?

 

[Winken]

70 or endtimes? Debateable.

 

[Markwsmith2020]

No it's not, the Bible says
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

The stones referred to no longer exist, must have been 70 ad

Lk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. The Roman army in 70 ad

 

[jgr]

When? Or was it in 70 AD?

Invading Roman armies in holy city Jerusalem = abomination
Invading Roman armies brought desolation (Luke 21:20)
Therefore, invading Roman armies were the abomination of desolation, in 70 AD

 

[Another Lazarus]

From the time of the AOD there will be 1290 days remain until Jesus return to Armageddon battle.
Daniel 12:12 11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Invading Roman armies in holy city Jerusalem = abomination
Invading Roman armies brought desolation (Luke 21:20)
Therefore, invading Roman armies were the abomination of desolation, in 70 AD

There was no Peace covenant between the made at 70 AD.

But antichrist will make a 7 years peace agreement between Israel-Arab which we have yet to see :
27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate

 

[Another Lazarus]

Lk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. The Roman army in 70 ad

there was no Covenant made in 70 AD so it doesnt refer to the AOD.
Dan 9:27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate

 

[jgr]

There was no Peace covenant between the made at 70 AD.

But antichrist will make a 7 years peace agreement between Israel-Arab which we have yet to see :
27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate

It's not a peace covenant between earthly parties, it's a divine covenant between God and man.
This is it:

Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

 

[Markwsmith2020]

The daily sacrifice did cease when the temple was destroyed

 

[BABerean2]

167 BC, which was 408 years after Daniel made the prophecy.

From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.

John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.

The city of Jerusalem was attacked and the temple sacrifices were stopped in both 167 BC and 70 AD.

Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel accounts.
We find the same warning to flee in both Gospels.

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[Dave Watchman]

From the time of the AOD there will be 1290 days remain until Jesus return to Armageddon battle.
Daniel 12:12 11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Excellent.

And when Jesus returns, the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give it's light.

So:

AofD<-------1290Days------->Sun/Moon

The Abomination that maketh desolate was set up and is now standing in the place where it ought not to be. You can Google search the date of it and it should come up by searching: "June 26, 2015".

("You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;
it is an abomination)

On the left I have circled the total eclipse. On the right I have circled the "darkened" sun, the partial eclipse, which is followed by a blood moon, where the moon will not give her light. The date is hard to make out but it's January 6, 2019.

Then go to time and date and enter the dates for the AofD and the "darkened" sun..

Start date: 6-26-2015

End date: 1-6-2019

And like to a familiar face in a crowd, the eye is drawn to the number.

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results

Easy, breezy beautiful cover girl.

"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Another Lazarus]

Excellent.

And when Jesus returns, the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give it's light.

The sun shall be darkened in the Grief Tribulation
be4 Jesus return to Armageddon Battle.

The 2nd coming of Christ, Kings and Armies will know it

 

[Another Lazarus]

It's not a peace covenant between earthly parties,

Daniel speaks about 7 years Covenant.

 

[jgr]

Daniel speaks about 7 years Covenant.

Seven years of New Covenant ministry focused on Israel; the first 3.5 being Christ's ministry up to His death/resurrection/ascension, the last 3.5 being the disciples' ministry thereafter.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Seven years of New Covenant ministry focused on Israel; the first 3.5 being Christ's ministry up to His death/resurrection/ascension, the last 3.5 being the disciples' ministry thereafter.

Christians still minister in Israel until now.

 

[BABerean2]

Christians still minister in Israel until now.

Mat 10:5　 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:　
Mat 10:6　 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.　
Mat 10:7　 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.　


Gal 1:14　 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.　
Gal 1:15　 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,　
Gal 1:16　 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:　
Gal 1:17　 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.　
Gal 1:18　 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.　


Paul did not take the Gospel to the Gentiles until three years after his conversion.

There was a period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken first to Daniel's people, before it was taken to the Gentiles, based on the passages above.

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[Robert Jc]

there was no Covenant made in 70 AD so it doesnt refer to the AOD.
Dan 9:27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate

The judgment & end of the commission of the church to spread the gospel - Pentecost May 22, 1988, 40 years after the rebirth of national Israel in 1948, which coincided with the 13,000th anniversary of the world 11013 BC. Pentecost 1988 wast the time to flee the church for those who understand:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: {Mat 24:15-17}


Pentecost 1988 was 2300 days to Trumpets -1994, as well as 23 years to May 21, 2011.
1994 is 23 years to 2017.
2017 is the 306 prime #, which equals 2 x 153
1948 is 69 years to 2017
69 = 3 x 23

 

[BABerean2]

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: {Mat 24:15-17}

Mat 24:15　 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand　(Read John 10:22 to understand.)
Mat 24:16　 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:　

Luk 21:20　 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.　
Luk 21:21　 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.　
Luk 21:22　 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　
Luk 21:23　 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.　
Luk 21:24　 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.　(Most Bible scholars agree that the first part of this verse is about 70 AD.)

The Great Commission to the Church will not end before Christ returns.

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[Douggg]

AofD<-------1290Days------->Sun/Moon

Dave, I don't disagree with that general conclusion. 1290 days between the AoD and the Sun/Moon.

But the abomination of desolation has not taken place yet. It will be when the image of the beast the false prophet has made and placed in the temple.

Also the Sun/Moon description is in Revelation 6:12, the sixth seal. It will take place near the end of the 70th shmittah cycle (70th week of Daniel 9).

If a person takes the difference in the 1290 days to the 1335th day - it is a clear picture that Jesus is going to appear in heaven for the whole world to see on that 1290th day. And on the 1335th day descends to earth in Revelation 19.

That identify's how much time, the kings of the earth have to assemble their armies at Armageddon to prepare to try and make war on Jesus. 45 days.