A woman's worth

[Anduron]

Proverbs 31:10
"Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies."

Yeah, just like that little tid-bit.

Ephesians 5:21-33
"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless, let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."

Submission isn't slavery. Husbands are not to submit to their wives lead, but the husbands are to submit to their wives needs.

 

[HoosierCanuck]

It sounds like you just got burned. Not all of us Hoozzshierz are emotionally abusive and power hungry. Heck, if someone doesn't do what I say, I just do it myself!

lol no. Just a pattern I've noticed year after year after year after year after year and it just makes me sick to be honest. If what you say here is true then you are a diamond in the rough in these here parts!

 

[kevin~]

hey guys,

remember the bible says husband love your wife, and wife submit to your husband. it did not only say wife submit to your husband. im sure with a loving husband and a submissive wife it will surely turn out for good.

 

[JPPT1974]

We are as women & wives to submit to our husbands as husbands & men are to love their wives with unconditional love.

 

[Fatolia]

lol no. Just a pattern I've noticed year after year after year after year after year and it just makes me sick to be honest. If what you say here is true then you are a diamond in the rough in these here parts!

You sure you're hanging out in the right places?

 

[HoosierCanuck]

You sure you're hanging out in the right places?

I don't 'hang out' anywhere. Unfortunately, the town I live in is so horrible I can't describe it on a family friendly site. Men and women here are all psycho. The sad thing is that I travel throughout the midwest for my job and I really don't see much difference in the surrounding areas with respect to people respecting themselves and others. I just think the world is too cruel now for 'real love' as the Bible has designed it to exist. Virtuous women are rare and men worthy of respect are pretty much nonexistent. Nobody is faithful anymore. I just think getting worked up over a potential mate is a waste of energy. If I could, I'd be a hermit.

 

[treerootbill]

I'm not sure I agree with that statement. 1 Peter 3 states the wife must submit in all regards, even if the husband is harsh, so that he might be won over by her example. Something to think about, eh? I know from all the instances I've seen of husbands abusing their authority, the wife always came out on top. God blesses us when we obey, but especially when it is not to our benefit.

Your quote pertains to the situation when they are already married. She was talking about choosing someone who she would want to submit to for the rest of her life.

 

[awashinlove]

She was talking about choosing someone who she would want to submit to for the rest of her life.

That's what I was thinking as I read through this thread. This fictional woman is simply stating the kind of man she wants to share that Biblical relationship with. While there is no one perfect except we all-know-who, there's nothing wrong in seeking a SO who looks to God as his model and strives for that perfection, which comes down to perfect love. Of course humans can't match this high level, but it's certainly righteous, IMO, in looking to better yourself in all aspects and make every effort to attain this status in the name of Jesus Christ. I try to grow in some way every day (okay, perhaps it's more like every week or so; old habits die hard!), and certainly seek someone who does the same.

1 Peter 3 mentions the woman as the weaker partner. That being true, I like to see the message that there's no need to settle for anything less than what you're worth (which is quite a bit ).

Blessings,
awashinlove

 

[Tenorvoice]

just to give you an idea of how words meanings change over the years here is the meaning of Submit in the 1828 Websters dictionary.

SUBMIT', v.t. [L. submitto; sub, under, and mitto, to send.]

1. To let down; to cause to sink or lower.

Sometimes the hill submits itself a while.

[This use of the word is nearly or wholly obsolete.]

2. To yield, resign or surrender to the power, will or authority of another; with the reciprocal pronoun.

Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hand. Gen.16.

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands. Eph.5.

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man. 1 Pet. 2.

3. To refer; to leave or commit to the discretion of judgment of another; as, to submit a controversy to arbitrators; to submit a question to the court.

SUBMIT', v.i. To surrender; to yield one's person to the power of another; to give up resistance. The enemy submitted.

The revolted provinces presently submitted.

1. To yield one's opinion to the opinion or authority of another. On hearing the opinion of the court, the counsel submitted without further argument.

2. To be subject; to acquiesce in the authority of another.

To thy husband's will

Thine shall submit--

3. To be submissive; to yield without murmuring.

Our religion requires us--to submit to pain, disgrace and even death.--------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here is the definition in a current dictonary.

Main Entry: sub·mit
Pronunciation: s&b-'mit
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): sub·mit·ted; sub·mit·ting
Etymology: Middle English submitten, from Latin submittere to lower, submit, from sub- + mittere to send
transitive senses
1 a : to yield to governance or authority b : to subject to a condition, treatment, or operation ****e metal was submitted to analysis>
2 : to present or propose to another for review, consideration, or decision <submit a question to the court> <submit a bid on a contract> <submit a report>; also : to deliver formally <submitted my resignation>
3 : to put forward as an opinion or contention <we submit that the charge is not proved>
intransitive senses
1 a : to yield oneself to the authority or will of another : [size=-1]SURRENDER[/size] b : to permit oneself to be subjected to something <had to submit to surgery>
2 : to defer to or consent to abide by the opinion or authority of another
synonym see [size=-1]YIELD[/size]
- sub·mit·tal /-'mi-t&l/ noun


the meanings of words change all the time. So you have to go back and use the definition that was around at the time of any writing.

Hope I did not confuse anyone by this.

 

[Tenorvoice]

also on a side note if you want to read two great sermons on the roles of the husband and the wife I would reccomend reading these two,


First the one for the Husband: ttp://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/HUSBAND.HTM
Now the one for the wives: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/WIFEROLE.HTM

They may be long but give them a read sometime.

I belive that they will enlighten anyone.

 

[Fatolia]

I would hardly say this is a "family" friendly site, in the Americanized sense of the word. We do talk about Jesus you know...

If you don't mind my asking, where in Indiana is this psychotic community you live in? Sure people are a nuts over here in Kokomo, but they wouldn't exactly fill you with lead if you tried to talk to them about Jesus either.

I don't 'hang out' anywhere. Unfortunately, the town I live in is so horrible I can't describe it on a family friendly site. Men and women here are all psycho. The sad thing is that I travel throughout the midwest for my job and I really don't see much difference in the surrounding areas with respect to people respecting themselves and others. I just think the world is too cruel now for 'real love' as the Bible has designed it to exist. Virtuous women are rare and men worthy of respect are pretty much nonexistent. Nobody is faithful anymore. I just think getting worked up over a potential mate is a waste of energy. If I could, I'd be a hermit.

 

[HoosierCanuck]

I would hardly say this is a "family" friendly site, in the Americanized sense of the word. We do talk about Jesus you know...

If you don't mind my asking, where in Indiana is this psychotic community you live in? Sure people are a nuts over here in Kokomo, but they wouldn't exactly fill you with lead if you tried to talk to them about Jesus either.

You mean there are respectible people within 50 miles of me??!?! I live...er, exist rather...in Marion. Yes, the laughing stock of the nation....Marion. Have you ever really been to this town?? We are full of 'Christians' over here with two Christian colleges but lets just say that the snobbiest people around are the 'Christians.' I'm stuck....I'm not into the trailer trash scene and I can't seem to find nice, Christlike (you know...compassionate) Christians to be friends with. My own next door neighbours won't even so much as give a friendly wave and they never miss a Sunday! Sadly enough, I was going to visit the church down the street from me until I found out they go there. Any good ones in Kokomo? I hate to drive that far with the price of gas the way it is but Marion just simply doesn't have anything where I feel welcome, accepted or needed. I'm not wealthy or pretty and I'm not the stay-at-home mom/wife of a businessman husband living in Perfect. I am not religious enough to fit into the singles groups around here (or old enough for that matter). I am a 'gasp' divorced female living alone and preferring the single life. Marion stinks!!!!

 

[Fatolia]

Okay I'm going to take this into the PM world from here.

You mean there are respectible people within 50 miles of me??!?! I live...er, exist rather...in Marion. Yes, the laughing stock of the nation....Marion. Have you ever really been to this town?? We are full of 'Christians' over here with two Christian colleges but lets just say that the snobbiest people around are the 'Christians.' I'm stuck....I'm not into the trailer trash scene and I can't seem to find nice, Christlike (you know...compassionate) Christians to be friends with. My own next door neighbours won't even so much as give a friendly wave and they never miss a Sunday! Sadly enough, I was going to visit the church down the street from me until I found out they go there. Any good ones in Kokomo? I hate to drive that far with the price of gas the way it is but Marion just simply doesn't have anything where I feel welcome, accepted or needed. I'm not wealthy or pretty and I'm not the stay-at-home mom/wife of a businessman husband living in Perfect. I am not religious enough to fit into the singles groups around here (or old enough for that matter). I am a 'gasp' divorced female living alone and preferring the single life. Marion stinks!!!!

 

[horuhe00]

Here's a quote I heard a year ago... "Ever since women have tried to be like men, the world is worse off."

I think there's truth to this.

*flame shields up*

 

[JPPT1974]

also on a side note if you want to read two great sermons on the roles of the husband and the wife I would reccomend reading these two,


First the one for the Husband: ttp://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/HUSBAND.HTM
Now the one for the wives: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/WIFEROLE.HTM

They may be long but give them a read sometime.

I belive that they will enlighten anyone.

Though I am not married, I may give them a try and that they may be long but also well-worth it as well!

 

[soyness]

I just think that that is different for all women though. I would disagree.