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In Matt Jesus says that God allowed divorce because our hearts where hard. But he says divorcing except for marital unfaithfulness is adultry.
Now I'm not sure how the greek is translated, but it is possible martial unfaithfulness would extend to failing to perform the duties of a spouse. Now one of the duties of a spouse is regular sex. But that does not indicate a "whenever you want" type of thing.
In terms of changing the law, the effect of which is really difficult to say. On one hand Jesus did say he came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it.
On the other hand a large bulk of the law was involved in religious rights, dietary restrictions, and punishments for sin. And in different places those restrictions where in effect taken out of our every day worry. God said in one that he made the food clean. And by scripture we can figure that Christ accomplished our sacrifice and took the punishments for our sins, teaching us to forgive and not to stone.
So figuring as to where this line is drawn is probably one of the most difficult theological topics there is.
Catechism classes in some of the older Christian faith traditions (Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican etc.) are basically classes in which the basic tenents of the Christian faith are taught. Usually it uses a bible and a catechism. (Which is a book to help act as a guide)
On top of that often memorization of some things is required. Such as the 10 commandments, the apostle's creed, Lord's Prayer, Great Commandment, and Great Commission.
To be honest having been a person who was not brought up in the faith and was pretty clueless about it at the start, there is no way I could have gotten to any level of understanding without the teachings passed down by the church. With zero understanding of the bible, opening it up and reading the whole thing will do zip amount of good. Especially when the laity don't understand the complexities of Greek and Hebrew.
Our faith is derived primarily through the gospels as well. While it is important to learn about the law of Moses, its far more important to learn about Jesus and the gospels first. That along with Acts, and some of the letters of Paul such as Romans, 1 & 2 Cor, Galatians. And it would probably be good that they also read James and 1 & 2 Peter.
The idea that you are presenting is a very modern protestant idea. (Not all protestants agree obviously, but its the popular notion among protestants) But its very wrong. The idea is this modernistic idea of letting people draw their own conclusions from everything. But that has led to more heresy and disorganization in the church then ever. Because everyone with little to no theological training or concern to the traditions of the early apostolic church nor with any ability to read hebrew or greek thinks that they have a valid opinion on the truth of God.
The bible can only be understood with the proper teaching. Which ultimatly can only come from a well trained clergy. Note that the clergy doesn't necessarily need to teach the catechism class, however the understanding ultimatly comes from the clergy and goes down to teachers who are well understood enough to teach catechism.
Now I'm not sure how the greek is translated, but it is possible martial unfaithfulness would extend to failing to perform the duties of a spouse. Now one of the duties of a spouse is regular sex. But that does not indicate a "whenever you want" type of thing.
In terms of changing the law, the effect of which is really difficult to say. On one hand Jesus did say he came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it.
On the other hand a large bulk of the law was involved in religious rights, dietary restrictions, and punishments for sin. And in different places those restrictions where in effect taken out of our every day worry. God said in one that he made the food clean. And by scripture we can figure that Christ accomplished our sacrifice and took the punishments for our sins, teaching us to forgive and not to stone.
So figuring as to where this line is drawn is probably one of the most difficult theological topics there is.
Catechism classes in some of the older Christian faith traditions (Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican etc.) are basically classes in which the basic tenents of the Christian faith are taught. Usually it uses a bible and a catechism. (Which is a book to help act as a guide)
On top of that often memorization of some things is required. Such as the 10 commandments, the apostle's creed, Lord's Prayer, Great Commandment, and Great Commission.
To be honest having been a person who was not brought up in the faith and was pretty clueless about it at the start, there is no way I could have gotten to any level of understanding without the teachings passed down by the church. With zero understanding of the bible, opening it up and reading the whole thing will do zip amount of good. Especially when the laity don't understand the complexities of Greek and Hebrew.
Our faith is derived primarily through the gospels as well. While it is important to learn about the law of Moses, its far more important to learn about Jesus and the gospels first. That along with Acts, and some of the letters of Paul such as Romans, 1 & 2 Cor, Galatians. And it would probably be good that they also read James and 1 & 2 Peter.
The idea that you are presenting is a very modern protestant idea. (Not all protestants agree obviously, but its the popular notion among protestants) But its very wrong. The idea is this modernistic idea of letting people draw their own conclusions from everything. But that has led to more heresy and disorganization in the church then ever. Because everyone with little to no theological training or concern to the traditions of the early apostolic church nor with any ability to read hebrew or greek thinks that they have a valid opinion on the truth of God.
The bible can only be understood with the proper teaching. Which ultimatly can only come from a well trained clergy. Note that the clergy doesn't necessarily need to teach the catechism class, however the understanding ultimatly comes from the clergy and goes down to teachers who are well understood enough to teach catechism.
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