A Widely Circulated Error About the Greek Word Apantesis, or Apantesin

[rwb]

He's asking when do you see Revelation 20:11-15 happening and I feel certain that you see that happening just after Christ returns, right? As portrayed in Matthew 25:31-46 as well.

Yes, Scripture indicates the Judgment immediately follows the second and last coming of Christ.

 

[DavidPT]

After the first earth is burned up and passed away then we who are with the Lord in the air will come down with Him in the heavenly city new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven.

So where does the great white throne judgment fit into any of this, if everyone, including Christ, are still up in the sky while the earth below is burning up, and then once the earth is burned up and passed away, they come down from the sky with Him in the heavenly city new Jerusalem? What about the verses recorded below? How and when does that happen? Does it happen after the earth is burned up and passed away, when they then come down from the sky with Him in the heavenly city new Jerusalem? If Christ is the one sitting on the throne in Revelation 20:11, how could He be doing that if He is still in the sky as of the rapture and that He doesn't come down from the sky until the earth has been burned up and has passed away, which obviously would mean it is then a new earth according to Revelation 21:1?

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[rwb]

In Matthew 25:10, as "the bridegroom," He goes IN TO "the wedding." In Luke 36:12, as the "Master," He will RETURN FROM "the wedding." THAT is TWO comings, not just ONE.

There is not even ONE scripture that says He will only return one time.

Then you should be able to show the verses indicating Christ will return more than one more time. The bridegroom in Mt. 25 comes only once. First we are warned He is coming, then as promised He came.

Matthew 25:6 (KJV) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Matthew 25:10 (KJV) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

The parable is using an analogy of a Jewish wedding, comparing the wedding celebration with when the Son of man will come. For He will come at an hour, not come any hour, but an hour, specific hour, when ye think not.

Luke 12:36-40 (KJV) And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

[rwb]

So where does the great white throne judgment fit into any of this, if everyone, including Christ, are still up in the sky while the earth below is burning up, and then once the earth is burned up and passed away, they come down from the sky with Him in the heavenly city new Jerusalem? What about the verses recorded below? How and when does that happen? Does it happen after the earth is burned up and passed away, when they then come down from the sky with Him in the heavenly city new Jerusalem? If Christ is the one sitting on the throne in Revelation 20:11, how could He be doing that if He is still in the sky as of the rapture and that He doesn't come down from the sky until the earth has been burned up and has passed away, which obviously would mean it is then a new earth according to Revelation 21:1.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I don't think anyone could possibly know exactly when, or where the GWTJ takes place. Scripture seems only to indicate there is no delay. All that is written appears to happen on the day that Christ returns. Is day a single day? Or is day here to be interpreted as time? Scripture says that He comes again on the "last day". So in that last day, I believe all that is written will be finished, but truly I cannot say, and I don't believe Scripture tells us when or where. Sorry!

 

[rwb]

The why…. we meet Him in the air? That is not my department…that one belongs to God.

Speculation on the why: Maybe to set it apart from when Christ comes to the earth… the Mt. of Olives.

As for where we go …What I know for sure is …wherever Jesus goes …we go. ....so shall we ever be with the Lord (1Th 4:17b.

From what I have gathered from a few scripture …we will be in heaven for 7 years at the bēma receiving our rewards (2Co 5:10) then when Christ returns to the earth …we tag along.

Christ has already come to earth and to the Mt of Olives.

 

[rwb]

That is entirely correct. But then, Luke 12:35-36 says, "Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately."

One scripture clearly says that, as "the bridegroom," He will come and take us IN TO "the wedding." and the other one says that, as the "Master," He will RETURN FROM "the wedding." That is TWO comings, not just one.

That is not two comings. Lk 12:40 tells us He comes at AN HOUR, that is A specific time, not many or more than one time but "AN HOUR".

How do you reconcile Christ coming two more times when Scripture says He will come only one more time? If your doctrine causes contradiction, there is a problem with your doctrine, because God is not the Author of confusion and contradiction.

Hebrews 12:26-29 (KJV) Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Matthew 24:35-37 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[DavidPT]

That is not two comings. Lk 12:40 tells us He comes at AN HOUR, that is A specific time, not many or more than one time but "AN HOUR".

How do you reconcile Christ coming two more times when Scripture says He will come only one more time? If your doctrine causes contradiction, there is a problem with your doctrine, because God is not the Author of confusion and contradiction.

Hebrews 12:26-29 (KJV) Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Matthew 24:35-37 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I'm not Pretrib, yet we(meaning those of us who oppose Pretrib) need to be intellectually honest here, the parable in Luke 12 involves a coming after the wedding, and the parable in Matthew 25 involves a coming prior to the wedding, and that we need to explain what that means since we disagree that Pretrib is Biblical.

 

[rwb]

I'm not Pretrib, yet we(meaning those of us who oppose Pretrib) need to be intellectually honest here, the parable in Luke 12 involves a coming after the wedding, and the parable in Matthew 25 involves a coming prior to the wedding, and that we need to explain what that means since we disagree that Pretrib is Biblical.

If you believe I have not properly understood the parables, I ask this of you also:

How do you reconcile Christ coming two more times when Scripture says He will come only one more time? If your doctrine causes contradiction, there is a problem with your doctrine, because God is not the Author of confusion and contradiction.

What I see is particular points of view using unclear passages of Scripture to support an opinion that does not have Biblical support.

 

[sandman]

Christ has already come to earth and to the Mt of Olives.

If what you say is true, the Epistles are null and void.

The problem is…. I still operate the manifestation of tongues and the other 8 manifestations of the spirit. And 1Co 13:8-10 states those things will cease……But,all those are still going strong.

Everything you quoted in this post 26 all deal with the future tribulation. There is nothing in the Gospels or OT that give any reference to the mystery of the one body (the grace administration) which was kept hidden in God and not revealed until after Pentecost.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The why…. we meet Him in the air? That is not my department…that one belongs to God.

Speculation on the why: Maybe to set it apart from when Christ comes to the earth… the Mt. of Olives.

We don't have to speculate. Scripture indicates that when He returns He will destroy all of His enemies (2 Thess 1:7-10, Matt 24:35-39, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Rev 19:17-18). So, the reason that we will meet Him in the air is because it would not make any sense to leave us on the earth while it is being burned up.

As for where we go …What I know for sure is …wherever Jesus goes …we go. ....so shall we ever be with the Lord (1Th 4:17b.

We all believe that.

From what I have gathered from a few scripture …we will be in heaven for 7 years at the bēma receiving our rewards (2Co 5:10) then when Christ returns to the earth …we tag along.

Scripture never teaches such a thing. Your doctrine is based entirely on speculation.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

In Matthew 25:10, as "the bridegroom," He goes IN TO "the wedding." In Luke 36:12, as the "Master," He will RETURN FROM "the wedding." THAT is TWO comings, not just ONE.

There is not even ONE scripture that says He will only return one time.

Luke 36:12? I don't have that in my Bible. I assume you meant Luke 12:36. That is not talking about Jesus coming back after the wedding is over. That is talking about Him coming after the wedding preparations have been completed. So, Matthew 25:10 and Luke 12:36 are talking about the same coming of Christ.

I don't believe you read Luke 12:35-40 carefully enough. Please read it carefully.

Luke 12:35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

Notice in verse 37 that it talks about "those servants whose master find them watching when He comes". Then what does it say next? It says "Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them". This shows that the wedding has not yet taken place at that point. Otherwise, what He said there would not make any sense. So, it makes no sense to think that verse 36 is talking about Him returning after the wedding is over.

And then in verse 40 He said "You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”". So, you think He will come unexpectedly twice in the future? Really? No. That is not taught anywhere. He will come once in the future and He will be unexpected like a thief in the night.

Is this all you have to support your 2 future comings of Christ theory? If so, I believe it's a very flimsy theory.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

@Biblewriter

The rapture is explained in the story of Ten virgins.

Jesus as the Bridegroom will fetch the wise virgins to the Feast of the Lamb which means He has not returned yet when that happened. And the foolish are left behind and screamed.....Lord Loord.

And you think they will just be allowed to continue living their lives after that with the opportunity to repent? That isn't what scripture teaches at all. Those who say "Lord, Lord" when He returns will be condemned for eternity at that time, not allowed to continue living their lives. You need to allow scripture to interpret scripture for you.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

So, when they say "Lord, Lord.." and He tells them "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers", you think they will just be allowed to continue living their lives on earth after that? No. Please read this:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

Notice here that when He tells those who say "Lord, Lord..." that He never knew them and tells them "Away from me, you evildoers" they will be thrown out where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Where is that?

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

This shows that when they say "Lord, Lord..." to Jesus it will be at the judgment and He will tell them He never knew them and they will be thrown "into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". So, your doctrine of second chances for people like the foolish virgins portrayed in Matthew 25:1-13 is clearly false. They will not get left behind on the earth with another chance to repent when Christ comes. No, it will be too late to repent at that point. They will be condemned for eternity.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I'm not Pretrib, yet we(meaning those of us who oppose Pretrib) need to be intellectually honest here, the parable in Luke 12 involves a coming after the wedding, and the parable in Matthew 25 involves a coming prior to the wedding, and that we need to explain what that means since we disagree that Pretrib is Biblical.

I explained how I believe the Luke 12 parable should be understood in post #31. Please let me know your thoughts on what I said there.

If you really think that "Luke 12 involves a coming after the wedding, and the parable in Matthew 25 involves a coming prior to the wedding", then why are you post-trib?

 

[DavidPT]

If you believe I have not properly understood the parables, I ask this of you also:

How do you reconcile Christ coming two more times when Scripture says He will come only one more time? If your doctrine causes contradiction, there is a problem with your doctrine, because God is not the Author of confusion and contradiction.

What I see is particular points of view using unclear passages of Scripture to support an opinion that does not have Biblical support.

Luke 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

I think I now see how this should maybe be understood. It should not be understood as a wedding that already took place, that this is what He is returning from, it is instead meaning He is returning after everything for the wedding has been prepared. After all, per any wedding certain things have to be prepared in advance, then the wedding follows that. That way it doesn't contradict the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25 nor does it equal 2 comings, thus making Pretrib a possibility. Nor does it contradict anything you brought up in your other post I was initially addressing. But if this doesn't explain it, what does? Pretrib?

 

[DavidPT]

I explained how I believe the Luke 12 parable should be understood in post #31. Please let me know your thoughts on what I said there.

If you really think that "Luke 12 involves a coming after the wedding, and the parable in Matthew 25 involves a coming prior to the wedding", then why are you post-trib?

I haven't read that post yet and that I just made another post a few moments ago. Now to read your post and see if we are anywhere close to being on the same page or not. It's going to be interesting to see what you posted after what I had posted.

 

[DavidPT]

Luke 36:12? I don't have that in my Bible. I assume you meant Luke 12:36. That is not talking about Jesus coming back after the wedding is over. That is talking about Him coming after the wedding preparations have been completed. So, Matthew 25:10 and Luke 12:36 are talking about the same coming of Christ.

I don't believe you read Luke 12:35-40 carefully enough. Please read it carefully.

Luke 12:35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

Notice in verse 37 that it talks about "those servants whose master find them watching when He comes". Then what does it say next? It says "Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them". This shows that the wedding has not yet taken place at that point. Otherwise, what He said there would not make any sense. So, it makes no sense to think that verse 36 is talking about Him returning after the wedding is over.

And then in verse 40 He said "You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”". So, you think He will come unexpectedly twice in the future? Really? No. That is not taught anywhere. He will come once in the future and He will be unexpected like a thief in the night.

Is this all you have to support your 2 future comings of Christ theory? If so, I believe it's a very flimsy theory.

I don't know if we are entirely on the same page or not? Both of us have found reasons why a past wedding can't be meant, but that we apparently arrived at that conclusion somewhat differently.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I don't know if we are entirely on the same page or not?

I think we are as far as I can tell. I agree with what you said about the parable in Luke 12:35-40.

Both of us have found reasons why a past wedding can't be meant, but that we apparently arrived at that conclusion somewhat differently.

How so? It seems that we are both recognizing that the wedding has not yet taken place and only the preparations have been made as of Luke 12:36 because the next verse talks about Him serving His servants at the wedding banquet after His coming. That wouldn't make sense if the wedding had already taken place. So, Luke 12:36 has to be only talking about Him returning from wedding preparations and not returning after the wedding has taken place.

 

[rwb]

Luke 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

I think I now see how this should maybe be understood. It should not be understood as a wedding that already took place, that this is what He is returning from, it is instead meaning He is returning after everything for the wedding has been prepared. After all, per any wedding certain things have to be prepared in advance, then the wedding follows that. That way it doesn't contradict the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25 nor does it equal 2 comings, thus making Pretrib a possibility. Nor does it contradict anything you brought up in your other post I was initially addressing. But if this doesn't explain it, what does? Pretrib?

Good observations! Christ, the bridegroom came once already, now we are waiting for Him to return the second and only time to enjoy the wedding feast prepared for them that look for His coming.

 

[Servant78]

And you think they will just be allowed to continue living their lives after that with the opportunity to repent? That isn't what scripture teaches at all. Those who say "Lord, Lord" when He returns will be condemned for eternity at that time, not allowed to continue living their lives. You need to allow scripture to interpret scripture for you.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

So, when they say "Lord, Lord.." and He tells them "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers", you think they will just be allowed to continue living their lives on earth after that? No. Please read this:

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

Notice here that when He tells those who say "Lord, Lord..." that He never knew them and tells them "Away from me, you evildoers" they will be thrown out where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Where is that?

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

This shows that when they say "Lord, Lord..." to Jesus it will be at the judgment and He will tell them He never knew them and they will be thrown "into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". So, your doctrine of second chances for people like the foolish virgins portrayed in Matthew 25:1-13 is clearly false. They will not get left behind on the earth with another chance to repent when Christ comes. No, it will be too late to repent at that point. They will be condemned for eternity.

Revelation 3:10 says there Will be tribulation for those left behind and should they refuse to worship the beast and refuse its Mark of the beast they Will be beheaded but their souls will be saved under the Altar of the fifth Seals.

 

[Biblewriter]

Then you should be able to show the verses indicating Christ will return more than one more time. The bridegroom in Mt. 25 comes only once. First we are warned He is coming, then as promised He came.

Matthew 25:6 (KJV) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Matthew 25:10 (KJV) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

The parable is using an analogy of a Jewish wedding, comparing the wedding celebration with when the Son of man will come. For He will come at an hour, not come any hour, but an hour, specific hour, when ye think not.

Luke 12:36-40 (KJV) And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

I just did that very thing, in the post you were answering. In Matthew 25:10, as the bridegroom, He goes IN TO "the wedding." and in Luke 12:36, as the "Master," He RETURNS FROM "the wedding." THAT is TWO comings.