A View On Homosexuality...

[Outspoken]

Does it really matter? Is there anything to be gained from condeming homosexuals? *edited out comment that was not approprate.* I can see absolutely no benefit in calling them sinners. Just get on with your own lives.

I agree, I think it is sin and they can do what they want but we are refering to morality here. That's a different ball park.

 

[Plodzilla]

They've edited me! I feel violated! How can I debate properly with the most expressive part of my vocabulary removed? This really isn't on. Can I say 'ruddy'? Is that allowed? 'Booger'? If that's all I can get away with, so be it. I'll just have to swear like someone of a Hovis advert. Or a Barnsley supporter.

 

[PatrickM]

They've edited me! I feel violated! How can I debate properly with the most expressive part of my vocabulary removed? This really isn't on. Can I say 'ruddy'? Is that allowed? 'Booger'? If that's all I can get away with, so be it. I'll just have to swear like someone of a Hovis advert. Or a Barnsley supporter.

LOL. Welcome to the CF!

I know this is off thread, but. . .

I have a relative who once was a TI in the Marines. He is also a Christian, so he doesn't curse at all. The recruits feared his words most because he didn't "fluff" it up with expletives, and every word he spoke meant something! Food for thot

 

[Outspoken]

They've edited me! I feel violated! How can I debate properly with the most expressive part of my vocabulary removed? This really isn't on. Can I say 'ruddy'? Is that allowed? 'Booger'? If that's all I can get away with, so be it. I'll just have to swear like someone of a Hovis advert. Or a Barnsley supporter.

Sorry it wasn't approprate so I took it out.

 

[Miss Shelby]

They've edited me!

Well, Plodzilla you gotta remember there are ladies around here. I don't claim to be one of them, but you might bruise my friend Mango's ears. He's kinda sensitive about naughty words.

Michelle

 

[sasquatch1221]

If you truly believe that homosexuality is a sin (I do not) then you should still not condem a person b/c according to christianity, if you arent god, you cant condem. everyone sins, so how are you any better than these people that strive to be good everyday citizens???

 

[chaindog]

Paul calls homosexuality a shameful lust, unnatural, indecent, and a perversion.

Homosexuality is natural. It occurs in animals. I believe there was a penguine study that indicated that recently. Do you own male dogs? They constantly exhibit homosexual behavior.

If it is natural, then Paul is clearly wrong. Obviously, God knows that homosexuality is natural because He created homosexual behaving animals.

I can only assume that Paul is speaking from his own viewpoint... not Gods.

Chaindog

 

[Smilin]

I disagree. I just might understand more then you know. As for your change, yes you do not allow yourself to be changed by God, thus you will never change in that aspect.

Let's test your understanding:

1.What is the creed of the Wolf, how does it compare and contrast
with Christianity...and what are the steps of Walking The Red Road?
(no googling allowed now...be honest)
Do the Cherokee believe in God?

2. Do not speak for me and what changed me. You have no clue.
I was truly 'reborn' again.... As Arikay once suggested, when you
release all preconceived religious dogmas and open yourself to all
possibilities, diligently seeking truth and answers...
Yes, I was changed. Maybe not by your perception of God.
However, as I continue to state, you wouldn't understand.
Unless of course you are open-minded enough to listen
to the wind...for it speaks.

 

[Smilin]

Well, Plodzilla you gotta remember there are ladies around here. I don't claim to be one of them, but you might bruise my friend Mango's ears. He's kinda sensitive about naughty words.

Michelle

yaayyyyy,,,right..and if a frog had wings.

And, yes you are a lady...please.

 

[Smilin]

Homosexuality is natural. It occurs in animals. I believe there was a penguine study that indicated that recently. Do you own male dogs? They constantly exhibit homosexual behavior.

Two male penguins in one of New York city's zoos.
They're happily gay...and there to stay!

 

[Plodzilla]

OK, I've calmed down. Necked a handful of valium and a bottle of Tudor Rose. If we're talking about homosexuality in animals, the studies have shown they only practice it in times of neccesity (when there's nothing else around) or in over crowded communities. Do you think this applies to humans too, or is it a case of nature and nurture?

 

[Denshuu]

*sigh* for the last time already, God doesn't make people gay. People make themselves gay.

Even if this was true (it isn't - sexual orientation isn't something people "choose") it has nothing to do with what I said. God is the creator of everthing that exists. Gay people exist. Therefore, God is the creator of gay people. God could have (A) Decided not to send gay people to Hell, (B) Made being gay something unnatural and unobtainable by humans, or (C) Simply not allowed people who are gay or would eventually turn out to be gay to be born. There's no getting around the fact that God has the power to not torture people because of their sexual orientation.

 

[Miss Shelby]

And, yes you are a lady...please.

If you say so. But Mango's more of a lady than I am. I'm a little on the masculine side.

Michelle

 

[chalice_thunder]

*sigh* for the last time already, God doesn't make people gay. .

In fact, He DOES...you just refuse to see it because of your narrow interpretation of several verses of scripture.

If you took a good honest look at the many gay people around you, you will find people JUST LIKE YOURSELF - people who pray, work for justice, create families, pay taxes. Oh yes, then there is the one little difference - they partner with somebody of the same sex.

And speaking of change - you know that God can deliver you of this irrational fear. But you must choose to accept it.

 

[stray bullet]

I want to know how people go about making themselves gay.

 

[mpshiel]

GayDar - the alternative cereal!

In case you want to try at home, here are some of the historical "cures" for that evil choice:

-Lesbians had their breasts amputated
-Lesbians had their perfectly healthy uteri removed
-gays were given aversion therapy; e.g. clients were shown pictures of naked men and simultaneously shocked with electricity
-Castration
-Brain surgery in the form of frontal lobotomies
-Counselling and psychotherapy
-drug therapy: e.g. animal-organ extracts, cocaine, estrogen, testosterone
-Positive therapy: e.g. men were asked to touch and then were shown pictures of women just before [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]
-Prayer and spiritual counseling
- Therapy by tedium: men were shown homoerotic pictures until they became totally bored
-During the Nazi regime in Germany, Himmler attempted to "cure" gays by requiring them to visit the camp brothel at Flossenburg. "Ten Ravensbruck women provided the services with little success. The women [were later]...shipped to Auschwitz" for execution
- During the recent apartheid regime in South Africa, gays and lesbians in the military were considered deviants. They were sent to a special ward of a military hospital and "rehabilitated." This involved electric shock treatments and chemical castration. Those who could not be "cured" were given sex-change operations. A number of "patients" died.

Estimated success of "cures" over last 100 years 1%

As there are no published stats on these programs, it is estimated that these therapies create more suicides from despair at failure than successes

 

[Outspoken]

Let's test your understanding:

1.What is the creed of the Wolf, how does it compare and contrast
with Christianity...and what are the steps of Walking The Red Road?
(no googling allowed now...be honest)
Do the Cherokee believe in God?

2. Do not speak for me and what changed me. You have no clue.
I was truly 'reborn' again.... As Arikay once suggested, when you
release all preconceived religious dogmas and open yourself to all
possibilities, diligently seeking truth and answers...
Yes, I was changed. Maybe not by your perception of God.
However, as I continue to state, you wouldn't understand.
Unless of course you are open-minded enough to listen
to the wind...for it speaks.

ahh I see you missed out on context yet again

I never claimed to know about your religion, but about a struggle against natural (unnatural according to God..it puzzles me how people can't understand that and say it occurs in nature, so does murder and thats not natural either LOL) desires.

"As Arikay once suggested, when you
release all preconceived religious dogmas and open yourself to all
possibilities, diligently seeking truth and answers... "

I did this long ago. I even went to the lenghts of studying various religions looking for the "correct" one. thus I found God and Christ again.

"
Yes, I was changed. Maybe not by your perception of God.
However, as I continue to state, you wouldn't understand.
Unless of course you are open-minded enough to listen
to the wind...for it speaks
"

I totally agree, all of the natural proclaims God's greatness and his love for us.

 

[Outspoken]

In fact, He DOES...you just refuse to see it because of your narrow interpretation of several verses of scripture.

If you took a good honest look at the many gay people around you, you will find people JUST LIKE YOURSELF - people who pray, work for justice, create families, pay taxes. Oh yes, then there is the one little difference - they partner with somebody of the same sex.

And speaking of change - you know that God can deliver you of this irrational fear. But you must choose to accept it.

no, he does not make people gay anymore then he makes you loose your anger and murder someone.

"If you took a good honest look at the many gay people around you, you will find people JUST LIKE YOURSELF"

ahh yet another anti-christian stereotype. I have had great converstations with my gay friends and I know very specificly they are alike me in many ways. the BIG difference is they allow sin in their life and are not repentant for it.

'you know that God can deliver you of this irrational fear. But you must choose to accept it"

LOL how many ways do I have to say this, I'm not afraid of gay people. Heck, I've been dancing at a gay club before. Give me a break. I even took a test saying I wasn't homophobic. How much more discrimination must I undergo? Please do not be a truthophobic.

 

[Outspoken]

Even if this was true (it isn't - sexual orientation isn't something people "choose") it has nothing to do with what I said. God is the creator of everthing that exists. Gay people exist. Therefore, God is the creator of gay people. God could have (A) Decided not to send gay people to Hell, (B) Made being gay something unnatural and unobtainable by humans, or (C) Simply not allowed people who are gay or would eventually turn out to be gay to be born. There's no getting around the fact that God has the power to not torture people because of their sexual orientation.
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*sigh* false logic
According to your argument God made murder as well. this simply is not true. Man CHOOSE to sin thus homosexuality started (it is sin).

"God is the creator of everthing that exists."

sin is not a created thing. It is a preversion of what God made. Man and woman for marriage..perversion is man and man or women and women.

 

[Volos]

Originally posted by: Plodzilla

OK, I've calmed down. Necked a handful of valium and a bottle of Tudor Rose. If we're talking about homosexuality in animals, the studies have shown they only practice it in times of neccesity (when there's nothing else around) or in over crowded communities. Do you think this applies to humans too, or is it a case of nature and nurture?

Unfortunately the studies have NOT shown that homosexual behavior in animals just happen in captivity or in times of distress.



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http://kingfish.coastal.edu/marine/375/Wmanatee.htm

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/sheepandanimals.html

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