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A View On Homosexuality...

Miss Shelby

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Just for kicks and giggles I asked some friends of mine on another board if they'd ever heard anything about the Church banning interracial marriages, or teaching against. I received two responses. One person simply said 'Beats me, I've never heard of such a thing' LOL! Which are my sentiments exactly.

Someone else said this:

I just searched religioustolerance.org and found nothing on Catholics banning interracial marriage. The accuser might be confused though, I did get a hit on Bob Jones Univ. and interracial marriage on the same page as the Pope asking for forgiveness for past problems. You can see the page here:

www.religioustolerance.or..._00mar.htm

As far as I know, the Catholic Church has never banned interraical marriage. If She did, you would have heard about it on the standard list of complaints on anti-Catholic boards all over the net.

It would be a silly idea for the universal Church to do so and certainly was not the case when the Spanish colonized the Americas.

Update: Here is another hit with Bob Jones, note that Catholic shows up on the page too:

www.religioustolerance.or..._choi2.htm

The search page: search.freefind.com/find....g=en&fr=10

Gives this misleading description:
12. Charitable choice: Governments funding religious groups
about Roman Catholicism. Until recently, the university had forbidden interracial dating among their students. Edwards postulated the startup of a charitable choice program at a church
[url="http://www.religioustolerance.or..._choi2.htm"]www.religioustolerance.or..._choi2.htm [/url]
I hope this helps clear up any misinformation given in this thread about the Catholic
Church teaching on this matter.

Michelle
 
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seebs said:
The historical opposition to interracial marriage is pretty well documented throughout most of Christianity's history.
I disagree. This is a red herring anyway, you cannot make the linkage between inner racial marriage and homosexuality. Biblically one is correct, the other is not.
 
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Outspoken said:
I disagree. This is a red herring anyway, you cannot make the linkage between inner racial marriage and homosexuality. Biblically one is correct, the other is not.
A comparison is not a red herring...

Historically, interracial marriages have been taught
as sin. And historically, you're not going to change
your view on homosexuality and the Bible. So, why
should I bother?

Other than to state that I can sympothize with
those who are told what they never chose, nor
can change is a sin.
 
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Smilin said:
A comparison is not a red herring...

Historically, interracial marriages have been taught
as sin. And historically, you're not going to change
your view on homosexuality and the Bible. So, why
should I bother?

Other than to state that I can sympothize with
those who are told what they never chose, nor
can change is a sin.
The comparison made is an illogical one, ment to dramatize the issue. Thus yes, it is irrelevant.

"And historically, you're not going to change
your view on homosexuality and the Bible. "

Ahh, but I have already. I began thinking it was okay, then I studied the bible and saw clearly that scripture says homosexuality was sin.

You can choose and you can change.
 
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Outspoken said:
You can choose and you can change.
That's all well and good, but the approach needs to change. First of all, if a person is not convinced that homosexual activity is a sin, all Bible verses in the world are not going to help, quite the contrary, it could me more detrimental to the situation.

As for changing, I will say it again, I do not believe a person's sexual orientation can be changed. Telling homosexuals that they're not homosexuals is only going to cause more hurt, confusion, resentment and ultimately retreat. I don't think it works.

I do believe that if a person were to decide that their sexual orientation is their cross to bear as a Christian, draw nearer to God through it by continually seeking Him and not desparately trying to change themselves by NOT SINNING, it will ultimately be rewarding for that person.

For the Christian who is not in agreement with me, I still accept that person and do not condemn that person.

God told St. Paul 'my grace is sufficeint'--but Paul had to seek Him.

Michelle
 
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How about not worrying about the afterlife of homosexuals and leaving it between them and God? Call me stupid or what you will, I just don't get how someone can judge when no one is without sin, really. I truly think someone elses personal choices are none of anyone else's business but who's involved. We know that there is more to us as a person than that little white lie we may have told at lunch about something, or the bit of gossip we partook in. There is more to a homosexual than the fact that they are homosexual. It seems that that one aspect of their life unfortunately overshadows the rest, no matter how positive the other aspects are. If all Christian churches focus on your sexuality as being a litmus, and put forth an image of judgment and exclusivity...I'm afraid it will turn those who are not Christian from exploring the Word of God, or otherwise have a negative effect on what should be a loving, accepting and joyful image of Christ and his church. But that's just my opinion.
 
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Outspoken said:
You can choose and you can change.
Not According to your beliefs, correct? ..."you" can choose and "you"
can change?....or your God does the changing?

What I chose, you will never understand.
 
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Miss Shelby said:
That's all well and good, but the approach needs to change. First of all, if a person is not convinced that homosexual activity is a sin, all Bible verses in the world are not going to help, quite the contrary, it could me more detrimental to the situation.

As for changing, I will say it again, I do not believe a person's sexual orientation can be changed. Telling homosexuals that they're not homosexuals is only going to cause more hurt, confusion, resentment and ultimately retreat. I don't think it works.

I do believe that if a person were to decide that their sexual orientation is their cross to bear as a Christian, draw nearer to God through it by continually seeking Him and not desparately trying to change themselves by NOT SINNING, it will ultimately be rewarding for that person.

For the Christian who is not in agreement with me, I still accept that person and do not condemn that person.

God told St. Paul 'my grace is sufficeint'--but Paul had to seek Him.

Michelle
"if a person is not convinced that homosexual activity is a sin, all Bible verses in the world are not going to help, quite the contrary, it could me more detrimental to the situation. "

I agree, but that doesn't mean the approach should change. Christ never stopped preaching regardless if they heeded scripture or not.

" I do not believe a person's sexual orientation can be changed. "

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagee with it. Yes, when people say you are wrong, regardless of the circustances people usually get defensive unless they are open to the possiblity they are wrong, such as I was when i thought homosexuality was not sin. Turned out it was sin and I admit I was wrong on that point. The bible confirms it is a sin.

"For the Christian who is not in agreement with me, I still accept that person and do not condemn that person. "

I totally agree, but offer this thought. If a someone claimed to be a christan and murdered someone everyday of their life, what would you think?
 
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stray bullet said:
Pointing out other people's sin is a way of making yourself feel better. A lot of it is also homophobe-based.
This is not a motivation of any christian I know, myself included. You think being called a biogot and being flamed everyday (probably more then gays at some point, though they have the bigger cross to bear in this arena) is something that makes me feel good about myself? You've got to be joking.
 
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Originally posted by :
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The comparison made is an illogical one, ment to dramatize the issue. Thus yes, it is irrelevant.
The comparison is both apt and striking.


Ahh, but I have already. I began thinking it was okay, then I studied the bible and saw clearly that scripture says homosexuality was sin.

You can choose and you can change.
Why would any honest person choose to pretend to be something they are not?
 
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Outspoken said:
This is not a motivation of any christian I know, myself included. You think being called a biogot and being flamed everyday (probably more then gays at some point, though they have the bigger cross to bear in this arena) is something that makes me feel good about myself? You've got to be joking.

A lot of people like it, yes. It is done out of fear too.
 
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stray bullet said:
A lot of people like it, yes. It is done out of fear too.
Nooo....I would say a very small percentage it is done out of fear, probalby about the same percentage that murder christians (most is done out of hate not fear). It has nothing to do with making yourselve feel better, that's just a stereotype gay-rights people use to make themselves "feel better".
 
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Smilin said:
I was changed,,,,
Just not by your God.

But, as I stated, you'd never understand.
I disagree. I just might understand more then you know. As for your change, yes you do not allow yourself to be changed by God, thus you will never change in that aspect.
 
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I'll be one to agree with the topic poster, then. The Bible makes it strikingly clear that homosexuality is a sin worthy of death and eternal torment. How this relates to reality is another topic entirely however - Sexual orientation is something that develops over time with no action at all on part of the person undergoing the change, and there's even evidence to support that some are even born with brain chemistry that differs from those of heterosexuals. Of course this creates quite a conundrum when trying to justify why an all-loving God who hates gay people would create gay people just to torture them later on, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what's written in the Bible.
 
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Denshuu said:
I'll be one to agree with the topic poster, then. The Bible makes it strikingly clear that homosexuality is a sin worthy of death and eternal torment. How this relates to reality is another topic entirely however - Sexual orientation is something that develops over time with no action at all on part of the person undergoing the change, and there's even evidence to support that some are even born with brain chemistry that differs from those of heterosexuals. Of course this creates quite a conundrum when trying to justify why an all-loving God who hates gay people would create gay people just to torture them later on, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what's written in the Bible.
*sigh* for the last time already, God doesn't make people gay. People make themselves gay. humanity has forever changed beause of sin. God didn NOT make it that way.
 
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