A View On Homosexuality...

[PatrickM]

If you can point me to an online 12-step list to ending homosexuality, I'll check it out

If you're serious, check out www.exodus-international.org

 

[Outspoken]

Unfortunately, since "judging others" is on the list...

Umm..nooo...sitting in judgement would more apt describe it, ie think of yourself as better then another. there is nothing wrong with calling sin sin. Christ did it and calls us to do it as well.

 

[kdet]

*waits*

*waits*

it is still here.

It took God a lot of years to cure me, but it DID happen. People give up on God too quickly...IMO

 

[stray bullet]

Umm..you have to want to be cured there stray and take action to do so..lol.

Trust me, I've wanted to get rid of it for a very long time. It serves no purpose for me except to annoy me and keep me from my goals.

As for taking action to stop it, I would like to keep all my parts, thanks.

 

[kdet]

Voles stated: Actually several conservative Christian leaders and are supportive of the murder of gays and lesbians. Paul Cameron, the founder of the Family Research Council (a subsidiary of Focus on the Family) advocates that homosexuals be arrested, branded (as in hot metal pressed into the face) , physically mutilated and then executed for “crimes against nature”



Exterminate gays

"At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, Cameron announced to the attendees, 'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.' According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Tattoo AIDS patients, castrate gays

"At least twice Cameron has advocated the tattooing of AIDS patients on the face, so that people would know when they were meeting with an infected person. The penalty for trying to hide the tattoo would be banishment to the Hawaiian island of Molokai, a former leper colony. In the event that a vaccine were developed to prevent AIDS, Cameron has proposed that homosexuals be castrated to prevent them from 'cheating' on nature." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Just more lies. Mr Cameron did not make those statements...those are libelous lies put out by the gay community.

 

[Outspoken]

Trust me, I've wanted to get rid of it for a very long time. It serves no purpose for me except to annoy me and keep me from my goals.

As for taking action to stop it, I would like to keep all my parts, thanks.

So in other words you have stopped dating memebers of the same sex?

 

[stray bullet]

It took God a lot of years to cure me, but it DID happen. People give up on God too quickly...IMO

Although I find your claims suspecious because you consistantly refuse to say the conditions of your 'homosexuality': experimentation, a same sex relationship, bisexuality or full blown lesbianism.

 

[stray bullet]

So in other words you have stopped dating memebers of the same sex?

I'm bisexual and I've never dated a member of the same sex... despite how much I'd like to

 

[Outspoken]

I'm bisexual and I've never dated a member of the same sex... despite how much I'd like to

So in other words you lust towards the same sex. Then just come to terms with the unheathy desire and let it go, much like a desire to overeat, a desire to have sex before marriage, etc...

 

[UberLutheran]

Seebs, I think you need to read the book of 1st timothy. We are to point out sin, though I do agree with you that there are other problems in this world, but that does not mean we should shrug off one problem in favor of another.

...and that is that we, too, are sinners OURSELVES, who according to St. Paul in Romans 2:1-3 are doing the very same things we are judging others for doing.

It's great fun to point fingers at "those awful homosexuals" and for us to be glad that we're not awful sinners like those people -- except for the fact that we ARE awful sinners like "those people" and in prideful judging, we're a WHOLE LOT WORSE.

Should you ever be so unfortunate to find yourself trapped in a burning car, I hope you won't be too terribly concerned about those awful homosexual sinners should a gay man (or a lesbian) find you and try to extricate you from that car before it explodes.

 

[stray bullet]

So in other words you lust towards the same sex. Then just come to terms with the unheathy desire and let it go, much like a desire to overeat, a desire to have sex before marriage, etc...

Well heck, if it is that easy, why not throw in my desire for fatty foods and beer in with it?

 

[stray bullet]

I'm not sure how many steps it is but here you go.
www.settingcaptivesfree.com

Oh good, a site of victims of sexual abuse who 'cured' their homosexuality. There is a difference in believing you are gay because of something that happened as a child and actually being gay.

So these are where the success stories come from ...

 

[seebs]

Are you saying that everyone of the hundreds of testimonies are all lies? Rather arrogant, wouldn't you say? Not one of them is telling the truth about their past???

No; I'm saying that, if you look at what they actually claim, what they actually claim is not what people would mean by "curing homosexuality".

A debateable matter for another thread.

The foundation of the discussion; if you're using a well-defined word incorrectly, then no wonder no one reaches any agreement!

Current theories suggest that homosexual orientation comes from more than one possible cause; these have different qualities, and cannot be lumped together without problems.

 

[kdet]

Although I find your claims suspecious because you consistantly refuse to say the conditions of your 'homosexuality': experimentation, a same sex relationship, bisexuality or full blown lesbianism.

I think the only reason you have suspiscions is because you don't want to believe. To clarify,I had homosexuals desires that I dealt with for years..I was in a long term relationship with another woman. I left that relationship and through God's grace and mercy I was finally delivered of those desires.
Now how much more simpler would you like it??

 

[Outspoken]

Well heck, if it is that easy, why not throw in my desire for fatty foods and beer in with it?

because those alone are not bad desires. the desire to over indulge in either of those is bad and yes, you should throw them in.

 

[PatrickM]

If you read the OP you realized that the original author went out of his way to pretend that homosexuality was about anything but love.

One man's "pretend" is another's facts. Have you any susbstantive argument for the facts of the original post? All this "I feel" emotional responses have many other threads on which to post. What about the actual facts mentioned in post #1?

Talking about homosexuality is any meaningful way outside of calling it list, unnatural or sinful reframes the argument is ways many people do not like. It is difficult to justify discrimination against love but easy to justify it against lust.

Biblically speaking, that's just the point. What is "love"? According to the Greek, there are 3 forms, God's sacrificial towards mankind.

Person to person, as in I love my fellowman, which, contrary to some's opinion, is the reason for this thread.

And sexual. I am not homosexual if I love my fellow brothers at my church. So what is the dividing line? Obviously it is the sexual part, else all this is moot. Eventually, the bottom line in the word "homosexual" equates with one desiring, if not actually having, sex with someone of the same gender.

My personal belief is that it all boils down to personal convince. Those who feel they would be inconvenient to follow the strict laws of Leviticus choose to say that they are not longer applicable.

Ok, as I've said many times here, throw out the Levitical verses. I've not read anyone responding the OP's remaining discussion, which is substantially more than his Levitical points.

What about his post regarding Romans, Timothy, Corinthians? He went into great detail regarding the original languages, etc., to point out this is God's Word in this issue, not some personal opinion. What about these?

 

[kdet]

Oh good, a site of victims of sexual abuse who 'cured' their homosexuality. There is a difference in believing you are gay because of something that happened as a child and actually being gay.

So these are where the success stories come from ...

Why is it so much easier for you to accept that there is no way out than to accept that God can and does offer a way out? You seem to want nothing but excuses for why you can't change....well you know what? You can't! None of us can change ourselves...only God can change us.

 

[PatrickM]

No; I'm saying that, if you look at what they actually claim, what they actually claim is not what people would mean by "curing homosexuality".

According to all these people, it is.

The foundation of the discussion; if you're using a well-defined word incorrectly, then no wonder no one reaches any agreement!

What are you saying? Which word do you claim I have used incorrectly? Debateable? Do you mean because I misspelled it, I am using in wrong? Really?

It is not the foundation of this particular thread's foundation. I merely pointed out the original post here, and thus, this thread's foundation, was the Biblical stance regarding homosexuality. It is obvious the author wanted a response to his exhaustive (am I using this word correctly?) information regarding the Bible's view on homosexuality.

Current theories suggest that homosexual orientation comes from more than one possible cause; these have different qualities, and cannot be lumped together without problems.

This has all been hashed out ad infinitum on myriads (am I using this correctly?) of other threads. Again, the original post was in the context of the Biblical view only. Did you read it through?

 

[PatrickM]

Oh good, a site of victims of sexual abuse who 'cured' their homosexuality. There is a difference in believing you are gay because of something that happened as a child and actually being gay.

So these are where the success stories come from ...

Wow, talk about judgmental! How can you sit there and judge all these other people's testimonies? You have first hand knowledge regarding each one's personal experiences? Many say they, too, were actually gay.

Are you the only pure gay person in the world?

 

[stray bullet]

Wow, talk about judgmental! How can you sit there and judge all these other people's testimonies? You have first hand knowledge regarding each one's personal experiences? Many say they, too, were actually gay.

I am reading their testimonies, many of which confess they were abused or had experiences as children. That I fully admit would make a person feel gay and coming to terms with the abuse or encounter would help cure them.

Are you the only pure gay person in the world?

What on Earth does this have to do with anything? I'm bi, not gay and what I pointed out attributes thier 'success' to never having been born gay in the first place.