A View On Homosexuality...

[Living4JesusChrist]

If homosexuals truly love God, they would change themselves for Him and change their whole lifestyle for Him. God mentions that homosexuality is a sin and if they choose their lifestyle (homosexuality and sin) over God, then they do not truly love Him.

 

[UberLutheran]

If homosexuals truly love God, they would change themselves for Him and change their whole lifestyle for Him. God mentions that homosexuality is a sin and if they choose their lifestyle (homosexuality and sin) over God, then they do not truly love Him.

They will stop judging homosexuals for their sins, and start taking a close, hard look at their own sins; for as St. Paul so correctly says at the beginning of Romans 2:1-3, you who judge others are doing the very same thing and equally deserving of God's wrath.

 

[flicka]

If homosexuals truly love God, they would change themselves for Him and change their whole lifestyle for Him. God mentions that homosexuality is a sin and if they choose their lifestyle (homosexuality and sin) over God, then they do not truly love Him.

Hmm..well if your a newbie you really should read the entire thread before posting. Blanket statements like that will get you nowhere and add nothing to a debate.

 

[seebs]

Since the beginning of this thread, at least ten thousand children have starved to death.

I am wondering whether the Christian response to homosexuality should not be to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Come to think of it, shouldn't that be our response to everything? Sun shining? Feed the hungry. Rainy day? Clothe the naked. Pretty windy out there? Visit people in prison. Got a paycheck? Feed the hungry. Can't find your socks? Minister to the sick.

Convicting people of their sins is the Holy Spirit's job. Ministering to the needy is the work God assigned to us. Shouldn't we get back to our own jobs?

 

[Outspoken]

Since the beginning of this thread, at least ten thousand children have starved to death.

I am wondering whether the Christian response to homosexuality should not be to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Come to think of it, shouldn't that be our response to everything? Sun shining? Feed the hungry. Rainy day? Clothe the naked. Pretty windy out there? Visit people in prison. Got a paycheck? Feed the hungry. Can't find your socks? Minister to the sick.

Convicting people of their sins is the Holy Spirit's job. Ministering to the needy is the work God assigned to us. Shouldn't we get back to our own jobs?

Seebs, I think you need to read the book of 1st timothy. We are to point out sin, though I do agree with you that there are other problems in this world, but that does not mean we should shrug off one problem in favor of another.

 

[stray bullet]

If you know the True God of the Bible you cannot continue to live in a sinful lifestyle. I believe that one can have homosexual tendencies and be saved - most definetely, but I don't believe they can disregard what the scriptures say regarding the homosexual lifestyle and continue on in that sin.

One of my best friends is very spiritual and a homosexual. He cannot reconcile his desire for God with his lifestyle, and he's choosing his lifestyle over God. He doesn't really understand God, and he tries to justify his actions, but he can't fully.

I know it has to be the most difficult thing to choose when you feel it is such an inherent part of you. I can't imagine being told that I would have to leave my husband, who I love so deeply, in order to follow Christ. I can't imagine it.
I'm not trying to make light of what the homosexual has to deal with.

If we choose to follow Christ, we all must forsake ourselves. We all have to make choices. We have to deny our sinful nature and strive to be like Christ.

If you are sleeping around, yes, that is a problem. However, if you fall in love and have a commited relationship to a person for life, I don't see how anyone can have a problem with it just because they are of the same sex.

 

[stray bullet]

i agree, but I also say to know God means you will repent of sin, which includes homosexuality.

too bad you can't really cure it....

 

[PatrickM]

This is from a article in Rolling Stones Magizine march 18th 1999 written by Robert Dreyfuss.

This piece is a far cry from your previous one. The first one claims Cameron wanted to "exterminate" homosexuals, and "tatoo them" with a scarlet letter. There is absolutely no secondary confirmation the article in question is valid.

The RS article is more like what I've read about him. Funny, I guess the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to everyone equally, eh?

And again, Cameron aside, what about the very erudite issues brought up in this original post? No comments? Only slanderous remarks about a fringe element of Christianity?

 

[PatrickM]

too bad you can't really cure it....

Funny you say that considering the myriads of groups out there with documented proof of ex-homosexuals being "cured" as you put it.

Not to mention the Masters and Johnson study which found a 65% success rate, including a five year follow-up study.

But people can only be cured if they really want to, of anything, i.e. smoking, alcoholism, etc.

 

[PatrickM]

Hmm..well if your a newbie you really should read the entire thread before posting. Blanket statements like that will get you nowhere and add nothing to a debate.

And if you read the entire original post to this thread, you would realize the above comment was in complete agreement with it.

 

[Memes]

Maybe, in a christian governed society, all the sins that God has pointed out should be made into crimes and treated in a similar fashion ?

memes

 

[seebs]

Funny you say that considering the myriads of groups out there with documented proof of ex-homosexuals being "cured" as you put it.

That would be "propaganda". The APA has studied these claims extensively.

But people can only be cured if they really want to, of anything, i.e. smoking, alcoholism, etc.

You can't, so far as anyone can tell, be cured of cravings for alcohol, if you have the markers for addiction; you can just stop drinking.

Homosexuality is a condition, not a behavior.

 

[seebs]

Maybe, in a christian governed society, all the sins that God has pointed out should be made into crimes and treated in a similar fashion?

Unfortunately, since "judging others" is on the list...

 

[stray bullet]

Funny you say that considering the myriads of groups out there with documented proof of ex-homosexuals being "cured" as you put it.

Not to mention the Masters and Johnson study which found a 65% success rate, including a five year follow-up study.

But people can only be cured if they really want to, of anything, i.e. smoking, alcoholism, etc.

Except smoking and alcoholism involve resisting an action, whereas homosexuality is repressing an inherent desire and perception.

I'm sure everyone would love to be attracted to some people out of convenance, but I don't see it happening.

If you can point me to an online 12-step list to ending homosexuality, I'll check it out

 

[kdet]

too bad you can't really cure it....

That's really not true. God has and can cure people from homosexual desires.

 

[kdet]

Except smoking and alcoholism involve resisting an action, whereas homosexuality is repressing an inherent desire and perception.

I'm sure everyone would love to be attracted to some people out of convenance, but I don't see it happening.

If you can point me to an online 12-step list to ending homosexuality, I'll check it out

I'm not sure how many steps it is but here you go.
www.settingcaptivesfree.com

 

[PatrickM]

That would be "propaganda". The APA has studied these claims extensively.

Are you saying that everyone of the hundreds of testimonies are all lies? Rather arrogant, wouldn't you say? Not one of them is telling the truth about their past???

And, again, what about the Masters & Johnson study? What is their hidden agenda? Certainly not Christianity!

You can't, so far as anyone can tell, be cured of cravings for alcohol, if you have the markers for addiction; you can just stop drinking.

Homosexuality is a condition, not a behavior.

A debateable matter for another thread.

 

[stray bullet]

That's really not true. God has and can cure people from homosexual desires.

*waits*

*waits*

it is still here.

 

[Outspoken]

*waits*

*waits*

it is still here.

Umm..you have to want to be cured there stray and take action to do so..lol.

 

[kdet]

Wow, who is this Cameron? Does he profess to be a Christian? - I hope not.

Those are lies about Mr.Cameron..not the truth.