Hi there,
So whether or not you want to think about this for the sake of something you may or may not need to know about God, it might actually make something clear about free will, you will have to see. I would like for it to prove something to you about God, but I can't force either of you to agree.
This is the proposition: say there is a circuit you can create in your brain, a certain set of beliefs that you can interrelate with observations of the natural world through faith, whereby what is believed to be the heart of God may be revealed to you. It goes like this, say the four fundamental forces of nature weakness strength magnetism and gravity are reflections of the Godhead the Holy Spirit Jesus God and Wisdom respectively. Right now that you've created that belief in your head, with your heart specifically identify that the magnetic force is an expression of God. Now, without forgetting what you have believed and how you have had belief from your heart, notice in yourself when you are aware of the magnetic force, by that relationship. In this way, you will learn of God.
The reason I give this big set up is that there is a certain foundation that is required before you can discuss God meaningfully - I am not saying it is for everyone, I am saying for those whom it is for this is an example of what it might be. The point is, it is basically a circuit, that more or less strips you of unguided will and creates a growth pattern of associations around what you see God do with the magnetic force. Over time you will realize that you think more and more like Jesus did of God, by remaining in the truth. It is an exercise, you have to do it - but it is not really you in one way, it is simply the circuit you have created in your brain (so it is harmless?).
Now you say "I don't want to be aware of God, anymore" but why is that? Have you not become aware of a force of nature, at a level that has practical implications for you if it affects your thinking when you are unaware of it later? Is this not science? And if it is science, is it not true? Is this not the sort of thing people are looking forward to when they say "I want to discover science for the truth"?
The point is philosophically, people want a cure of their lack of guidance, their lack of a bandage for their rampant free will that hurts them with its constant lust and vanity. A circuit like this, is like getting that operation that stimulates you deep in your brain, but unlike that surgery there is no visible incision - you just create a pathway in the brain that allows your inner design to function relative to something it was familiar with, from the beginning. That is the reality, the reality is that we all knew something about God already and for whatever reason we allowed rejection to take hold in our hearts, but the circuit amplifies the signal that was there and we become semi-invincible as the steel of character in us takes over. We begin to speak to God of what we see of Him and we develop a living relationship.
Even if we have committed horrible atrocities against God, the circuit works because it puts us back in touch with an awareness of God that we once had and knew as familiar. This is what it is like in the end also, so in a sense we become free, because we have returned to that which is inevitable, from the destruction of an awareness that did not previously respect the laws of nature. So in a sense our slavery to the circuit has liberated our narrowness of mind, a little, and allowed us to function as God had intended, with respect to what we are fortunate enough to have become aware of.
I wonder if you now have something to say about free will that you did not?
Thanks.
So whether or not you want to think about this for the sake of something you may or may not need to know about God, it might actually make something clear about free will, you will have to see. I would like for it to prove something to you about God, but I can't force either of you to agree.
This is the proposition: say there is a circuit you can create in your brain, a certain set of beliefs that you can interrelate with observations of the natural world through faith, whereby what is believed to be the heart of God may be revealed to you. It goes like this, say the four fundamental forces of nature weakness strength magnetism and gravity are reflections of the Godhead the Holy Spirit Jesus God and Wisdom respectively. Right now that you've created that belief in your head, with your heart specifically identify that the magnetic force is an expression of God. Now, without forgetting what you have believed and how you have had belief from your heart, notice in yourself when you are aware of the magnetic force, by that relationship. In this way, you will learn of God.
The reason I give this big set up is that there is a certain foundation that is required before you can discuss God meaningfully - I am not saying it is for everyone, I am saying for those whom it is for this is an example of what it might be. The point is, it is basically a circuit, that more or less strips you of unguided will and creates a growth pattern of associations around what you see God do with the magnetic force. Over time you will realize that you think more and more like Jesus did of God, by remaining in the truth. It is an exercise, you have to do it - but it is not really you in one way, it is simply the circuit you have created in your brain (so it is harmless?).
Now you say "I don't want to be aware of God, anymore" but why is that? Have you not become aware of a force of nature, at a level that has practical implications for you if it affects your thinking when you are unaware of it later? Is this not science? And if it is science, is it not true? Is this not the sort of thing people are looking forward to when they say "I want to discover science for the truth"?
The point is philosophically, people want a cure of their lack of guidance, their lack of a bandage for their rampant free will that hurts them with its constant lust and vanity. A circuit like this, is like getting that operation that stimulates you deep in your brain, but unlike that surgery there is no visible incision - you just create a pathway in the brain that allows your inner design to function relative to something it was familiar with, from the beginning. That is the reality, the reality is that we all knew something about God already and for whatever reason we allowed rejection to take hold in our hearts, but the circuit amplifies the signal that was there and we become semi-invincible as the steel of character in us takes over. We begin to speak to God of what we see of Him and we develop a living relationship.
Even if we have committed horrible atrocities against God, the circuit works because it puts us back in touch with an awareness of God that we once had and knew as familiar. This is what it is like in the end also, so in a sense we become free, because we have returned to that which is inevitable, from the destruction of an awareness that did not previously respect the laws of nature. So in a sense our slavery to the circuit has liberated our narrowness of mind, a little, and allowed us to function as God had intended, with respect to what we are fortunate enough to have become aware of.
I wonder if you now have something to say about free will that you did not?
Thanks.