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Gladly I cannot confirm such in my childhood years.And just one minor thing; when I was younger, and this may still be the case, "blessed" was used as a mild swear word. As in "that's a blessed nuisance", "that blessed cat's got out again."
They are not doomed because Christ went and preached to them when he was in the tomb, 1 Peter 3:19-20.If the application of Christ's saving acts were limited to the time after his resurrection that all the old testament saints would be doomed. But they are not doomed because time does not limit God's grace.
They weren't perfect - if anyone had been able to keep the law perfectly, Jesus would not have needed to have come.You speak as if you had sure knowledge of this claim yet the scriptures tell us that Job was perfect and that Enoch pleased God so God took him directly to heaven without dying.
And yet a while back when I was telling you that some Catholic tenet wasn't Scriptural, you were insisting that Scripture isn't all there is, and strongly defending oral tradition.Your claim is not consistent with what is written so I will not spend more time on it than I have already.
Job 1:1 KJV There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.They weren't perfect
That doesn't say he was perfect for the whole of his life.Job 1:1 KJV There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Thems is weasel wordsThat doesn't say he was perfect for the whole of his life.
Perfect humanity does not imply omniscience; after all, Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of good and evil, yet they were perfect.If he had been then, after all his suffering when God revealed himself, he would not have said "Surely I spoke of things I did not understand ........ I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes, Job 42:3-6"
The consensus is that Job lived before the Law came into being. He was perfect and upright because he was good.Job was blameless because of the sacrificial system of atonement.
That is not what scripture says, holy scripture affirms that the Lord was without sin, but holy scripture does not affirm that no others were perfect (Job) and pleased God (Enoch). And should you be tempted to quote from the psalms that there "is no one righteous, no not one" it is well to remember that the psalm doesn't make an exception for Christ, nor for Job, nor for Enoch. So, let God be true, and every theologian can fend for himself.Scripture says in very clear terms that Jesus was the only human who was without sin in and of himself.
He doesn't tell us how to live our lives though.
Neither Jesus, nor Scripture, tell us what job to do, where to live, who, or whether, to marry, whether or not to have children, and if so, how many, who to vote for, how to spend our money or anything else.
We are told to put God first, to be salt and light for the world, to proclaim the Good News, to love as Jesus loved and so on. Everything else has to be worked out by us.
Like I said, he didn't come to tell us how to live our lives.
He came to reconcile us to God and to demonstrate God's love for us, Romans 5:8, 1 John 3:16. He came so that we, godless sinners, might become children of God, John 1:12 and have eternal life, John 6:29, John 6:40.
In what way?
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace etc. These aren't possible without the Holy Spirit; HE produces them in us, we can't make the chnge on our own.
What position? All I said was that we have to work out a lot of things for ourselves.
It would be a lot easier if Scripture said, "live in this place, don't have more than 3 children, don't spend your money on that, vote for ......... don't agree with government policy on this" etc etc, but it doesn't.
Yes, of course - but sometimes it will be a personal line.
Some Christians may say, "I could never go to a church which taught ............", while other Christians have no problem with it.
Probably most Christian women would never have an abortion - while for a few, it might be right/necessary.
In this country, guns are illegal - except for specially licensed guns - so the question of whether to carry one is a non starter. Whereas Christians elsewhere may firmly believe they have a right to own one.
In some countries, women seem to be treated much as they were in NT times - no worth, rights, identity. Whereas other countries teach that we have a right to work, to own property, to vote etc - and also a right not to do these things if we believe them to be wrong.
Again, it would be so much easier if Scripture addressed these matters - but it doesn't.
Scripture doesn't address many matters fully or at all in some cases. And yet much of it was conveyed directly or in Spirit to the disciples at the beginning, whether written or not. That's why we continue to need the church. But people fail to listen to it as well.Again, it would be so much easier if Scripture addressed these matters - but it doesn't
No, it's a fact.Thems is weasel words
I didn't even mention omniscience.Perfect humanity does not imply omniscience; after all, Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of good and evil, yet they were perfect.
If Enoch, Job and Mary were perfect, it's because they regularly repented and atoned.No, it's a fact.
I didn't even mention omniscience.
If Enoch, Job and Mary were perfect, why did we need Jesus?
If 3 people could manage to not sin and obey the law perfectly, why could nobody else? Why couldn't a man have kept the law perfectly, married Mary and they have a perfect baby? Why would God put his Son through all that pain and suffering if he didn't need to?
You either haven't read, or understood, my post.Ok, so we already know how to live-and the Sermon on the Mount and a myriad of other teachings mean nothing. In fact, He need not tell us about them because He's just going to make it happen anyway.
Where are you getting this "God will make it happen" stuff from? I didn't say that..We never need to seek to do the right thing because He'll just make it happen,
Holy means "set apart".We don't need to be told to be vigilant, to make the effort to be holy,
If we have received Jesus, accepted God's free gift of eternal life, Romans 6:23, been filled with his Spirit and experienced his love, I don't believe we will want to deliberately sin or want to do anything to hurt him.to obey the commandments, to refrain from sin, to feed the hungry and cloth the naked or forgive our brother.
If someone is saved and their thoughts are "how much sin can I get away with and still be saved?", or "now that I'm saved, I will always be saved no matter how much sin I commit", I would suggest that either they have a very selfish view of salvation (i.e. I'm ok, whatever I do) or they are failing to keep Jesus' command to love as he loved us.And OSAS is a bad belief because rash over-confidence is never a beneficial or fruitful disposition.
I'm perfectly capable of reading the Bible thank you - and do so with the help of the Holy Spirit.Go back and read your bible, for yourself,
And that was my point.Scripture doesn't address many matters fully or at all in some cases.
"Blessed" is an adjective anyway - not a title.Gladly I cannot confirm such in my childhood years.
All the more reason for people to stop complaining about it."Blessed" is an adjective anyway - not a title.
No, you're using it as a title.All the more reason for people to stop complaining about it.
One can say "Your Honour" to a judge, and "His Holiness" about a pope, so why not "Blessed" about Blessed Mary? You seem determined to avoid it, and no one will force you to use it, but you do not stop with your private reluctance you go further and express dissatisfaction with me using it.No, you're using it as a title.
I would certainly say that Mary was blessed - I'm not going to use that adjective every time I say her name, though.
As someone once said, "Your claim is not consistent with what is written, so I will not spend any more time on it than I have already."
You can do what you want.One can say "Your Honour" to a judge, and "His Holiness" about a pope, so why not "Blessed" about Blessed Mary? You seem determined to avoid it, and no one will force you to use it, but you do not stop with your private reluctance you go further and express dissatisfaction with me using it.
Luke 1:48 KJV For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.It's also not written in Scripture that we have to call her that.
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