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A tough questions for a blind man...

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You are going to be that hardened to what the passage is saying to make a comment like that? Since when doesn't 'man' in the general sense not mean 'mankind'? You do understand the meaning of the word 'man kind'? Go back to Genesis and look at the word 'kind'. It means species...
Unless you are of a different species than 'man' it refers to you as well.
Apparently the passage in Mark is the only place where you can find that vaguely might say that the sabbath command was given for all mankind (but it doesn't). Let's step back a moment and consider another point.

In context how do you think the Pharisees would have reacted if they thought their beloved sabbath sign was to be shared with the unclean Gentiles? They no doubt thought the statement was referring to Jewish people or there would have been a strong negative reaction, and one is surely not recorded.
 
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Many times God uses words meaning "forever" addressing Israel pertaining to things no longer in effect for Christians under the new covenant.


Leviticus 6:1818 Any male descendant of Aaron may eat it. For all generations to come it is his perpetual share of the food offerings presented to the LORD. Whatever touches them will become holy.

Lev. 23: (Festival of Weeks) 21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.

1 Chr. 23 Aaron was set apart, he and his descendants forever, to consecrate the most holy things, to offer sacrifices before the LORD, to minister before him and to pronounce blessings in his name forever.

Did Jesus say that the weekly Sabbath observance was ever for the Gentiles, too?

You see the thing is, the seventh day was already blessed and holy and protected by Law before God used it as a sign. We still have a seventh day every week and it's still blessed and holy, it's just not used as the sign of the old covenant. Jesus' death for sin didn't unbless the seventh day. Refer to Jesus' teachings regarding keeping the Sabbath holy. He's the one you have hear, not me..
 
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You see the thing is, the seventh day was already blessed and holy and protected by Law before God used it as a sign. We still have a seventh day every week and it's still blessed and holy, it's just not used as the sign of the old covenant. Jesus' death for sin didn't unbless the seventh day. Refer to Jesus' teachings regarding keeping the Sabbath holy. He's the one you have hear, not me..

Thanks. k4c. I respect your convictions and will take your thoughts into consideration.
 
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Apparently the passage in Mark is the only place where you can find that vaguely might say that the sabbath command was given for all mankind (but it doesn't). Let's step back a moment and consider another point.

In context how do you think the Pharisees would have reacted if they thought their beloved sabbath sign was to be shared with the unclean Gentiles? They no doubt thought the statement was referring to Jewish people or there would have been a strong negative reaction, and one is surely not recorded.

Jesus Christ says it Himself and your answer is that it is vaguely refered too??

Tell me, what is the point of us new covenant Christians reading the first 44 books of the Bible if it doesn't include us in it's teachings. Why do we learn about the books written for the Jews only?
 
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[=EastCoastRemnant;57140130]Jesus Christ says it Himself and your answer is that it is vaguely refered too??
Jesus had a Jewish audience, and he said the sabbath was made for man, not mankind, which of course could mean Jewish men or people.





Tell me, what is the point of us new covenant Christians reading the first 44 books of the Bible if it doesn't include us in it's teachings. Why do we learn about the books written for the Jews only?

No comment at all about the point I made that the Jews listening to Jesus no doubt understood His comment to mean them and not the Gentiles?
 
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Jesus had a Jewish audience, and he said the sabbath was made for man, not mankind, which of course could mean Jewish men or people.







No comment at all about the point I made that the Jews listening to Jesus no doubt understood His comment to mean them and not the Gentiles?

I agree, that ONE aspect of the Bible teachings, indeed Jesus' own personal teachings, were for the Jewish people, but consider this...

1 Cor 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This passage clearly states that not only were the teachings of the Bible for the people in those days, but also (some would say more so) for us here at the end of the world. Verse 12 carries a warning for those that don't understand this principle...

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Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
 
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I agree, that ONE aspect of the Bible teachings, indeed Jesus' own personal teachings, were for the Jewish people, but consider this...

1 Cor 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This passage clearly states that not only were the teachings of the Bible for the people in those days, but also (some would say more so) for us here at the end of the world. Verse 12 carries a warning for those that don't understand this principle...

v12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I'm not sure the verse you quoted, in context, shows we are to follow all the laws given to Israel. It speaks of sacrifices and such and clearly shows later on that the eating restrictions are not the same.

1 Corinthians 10

Warnings From Israel’s History

1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
Idol Feasts and the Lord’s Supper

14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?
The Believer’s Freedom

23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]
27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? 31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
 
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Yes, the verse is specifically talking about some activities of the wilderness wanderers, but I believe that it also has a broader context as the entire Bible is instructive for us, is it not? That we are to take heed to its teachings lest we become ensnared and fall away...
 
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Yes, the verse is specifically talking about some activities of the wilderness wanderers, but I believe that it also has a broader context as the entire Bible is instructive for us, is it not? That we are to take heed to its teachings lest we become ensnared and fall away...

You are entirely correct about the Old Testament being relevant to us. We can learn much about God's faithfullness and patience. The theme of the OT is primarily about the coming of Jesus and what He would do on the cross.

In the church I atttend, we read a long passage from first the Old Testament, then one of the the Epistles, and then from one of the Gospel books every week. Sometimes it is a whole chapter. We don't ignore the OT.
 
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