A thread on evolution

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

If I watch this video will Grady actually discuss any of the points in it? I'm almost willing to sit through it (even though I'm certain I've heard almost all the arguments many times before).

Can someone tell me if this is a possible outcome from wasting my time with this?

pitabread · Jul 10, 2017

gradyll said:
But it could induce terror.

I could see Ray Comfort having that effect, but not for the reasons that you think.

HitchSlap · Jul 10, 2017

gradyll said:
I guarantee you'll be a better person. After all your rock bottom right now, with no hope, and no future. (atheism)

Actually, things have never been better!

I find Comfort to be a bit of a sleazeball. Like I need a shower after listening to his worn out schtick.

pitabread · Jul 10, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
If I watch this video will Grady actually discuss any of the points in it?

I'm willing to bet not.

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

OK, I'm watching. First off he's going after the Teleological Argument (from Design). Heard it.

I will soldier on!

Subduction Zone · Jul 10, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
If I watch this video will Grady actually discuss any of the points in it? I'm almost willing to sit through it (even though I'm certain I've heard almost all the arguments many times before).

Can someone tell me if this is a possible outcome from wasting my time with this?

Naw, he knows that he is wrong.

I will link videos at times, and I am perfectly willing to discuss them. Sadly creationists tend to know that they are wrong and won't touch those either. All that they usually do is to claim that their personal interpretation of the Bible has to be right (and there are some varied and strange interpretations out there) and then run away.

pitabread · Jul 10, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
OK, I'm watching. First off he's going after the Teleological Argument (from Design). Heard it.

I will soldier on!

You're a brave, brave soul.

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Now we are getting into DNA! I feel "irreducible complexity" coming down the tracks! I bet someone starts talking about Shannon Entropy soon! Woo Hoo!

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Argument from incredulity. Check. (Less than 7 minutes in!)

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

The 747 self-assembly argument! YAY! BINGO! I have a BINGO here!

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Do you think Roy knows that DNA is just regular CHEMISTRY? That indeed certain chemicals react with others...it's not a perfectly random process.... I wonder if Roy knows that. I wonder if Grady knows that.

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

DNA IS complicated! I took biochemistry in undergrad! And of course a lot of chemistry that underlies DNA showed up in all my organic chemistry classes too! Just not supernatural.

HitchSlap · Jul 10, 2017

gradyll said:
Still praying for you guys, believe it or not. Even if i have to reach the bottom of the barrel and drag out the sludge myself.

So let me get this straight, your religious values allow you to think of people outside your faith as "bottom of the barrel" and "sludge"?

HitchSlap · Jul 10, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
Do you think Roy knows that DNA is just regular CHEMISTRY? That indeed certain chemicals react with others...it's not a perfectly random process.... I wonder if Roy knows that. I wonder if Grady knows that.

I doubt it on both accounts. Ray is the guy who claimed god created the banana to fit perfectly in a human hand. And grady, well, just look at his posts.

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Grady, I'm almost 10 minutes into this thing and so far I've heard EVERY SINGLE POINT HE'S MAKING! They are standard issue...SUCH OLD HAT!

Tell me when it gets to be original! PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU!!!

HitchSlap · Jul 10, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
DNA IS complicated! I took biochemistry in undergrad! And of course a lot of chemistry that underlies DNA showed up in all my organic chemistry classes too! Just not supernatural.

DNA - it's "hard work!"

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

And we're back to the Teleological Argument of Anselm: the first uncaused cause. Surely Roy has attended an intro philosophy class and heard the critique of this, right? Right?

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

I like how Roy is more than happy to rely on a "First Uncaused Cause" argument and doesn't have to deal with the "what was the cause of the first uncaused cause?" question. It's so CONVENIENT!

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Excellent! An interview with Tim "The Toolman" Taylor! Wow! I get all my philosophy from Tim Allen!

Obliquinaut · Jul 10, 2017

Krauss is doing a pretty good job explaining DNA and snowflakes to Roy. I wonder if that information is of any value? I mean it kind of goes against Roy's suggestion that DNA just "makes itself". But nah...that must not be important information.

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