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God had predestined to offer redemption to the Jews and then the Gentiles ; however, redemption is conditional upon personal repentance.
- Predestined means personal not just categorical. And it is for whom He foreknew, not what he foreknew!
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
- John 6
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
The verse that you quoted "no one can come to me unless granted by God" does not sufficiently means individual predestination because it is just an isolated verse. Case in point: The Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of god who intercedes for their prayers based on couple of verses:
(1) John 19:26,27: When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
(2) Mary asked Jesus to turn water into wine at the wedding [John 2], and Jesus did so.
Based on a few verses or event, Catholics exulted Mary to be the intercessor for their prayers. Now, does the Scripture talk about Mary as intercessor SUBSTANTIALLY?
Note: I am not against Catholics, I am just explaining a point.
Consider these 3 verses:
Acts 16:31 -- And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household”
Romans 10:9 -- because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
John 3:16: For God so love the world that He sent His only begotten Son, that whoever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Notice that these 3 verses did NOT say that we have to repent in order to be saved. Is belief without repentance sufficient? If someone believes that Jesus is the Son of God who was resurrected and seated at God's right hand now, does it mean he is redeemed -- even if he doesn't repent? If he ignore. context, he can insist he is correct.
About the words , being called by God [Jude], "chosen people" or "Chosen by God" [Peter] . During biblical times, people wouldn't say that they chose to believe God; instead they said that God chose them or they are being called. It was a humble way of speaking. Back then, people were much more subservient to God, and it would be arrogant or inappropriate for them to say they chose Him. it does not mean that God called Jason or Susan to be saved ie NOT individual predestination. As time change, languages change too; today, we don't speak this way anymore. We tend to misinterpret words (such as chosen and predestined) at surface level or literally, which contribute to the confusion that God literally handpick people.
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Predestinated, in the New Testament, is the goal, not the path.
Romans 8:28-29 goes like this:
- Called/elected (8:29)
- Foreknown (8:29)
- Predestinated (8:29)
Your view is scripture here is wrong. Period.
God Bless
Till all are one.
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