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A Third Temple Is A Slap Across Christ's Face.....

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.... and if the Lord wants to give the mortals of the millennium symbolic reference on this issue which He is going to do .... who are you tell anything different

In a risky business you are .... do not second guess Him


Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The Old Covenant is finished.
Circumcision is finished with it.

We are not the one who is second guessing the Apostle Paul.

 
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Your argument is driven by our own bias BAB


You pick out scripture for your argument ... and you leave the balance of related scripture to the wind if it does not fit

This is a common behavior among those who have an incomplete view of all scripture

Then you find and follower others who do the same and you fabricate a patch work of what you think you know .... and or you know exactly what you are doing and are out to do mischief for feeding your own pride

It is apparent to me that you post scriptures that serve your own ambition .... and that you intentionally omit, or are unaware of many others

I see this in your postings as I examine them

The Lord has said that He will lead one into all truth .... did you stop following short of the goal?
 
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Your argument is driven by our own bias BAB


You pick out scripture for your argument ... and you leave the balance of related scripture to the wind if it does not fit

This is a common behavior among those who have an incomplete view of all scripture


The Old Covenant is finished.
Circumcision is finished with it.


What part of the above is wrong in your opinion?
And what scripture do you use as the basis of your interpretation, that counteracts the scripture from the Apostle Paul written in Galatians chapter 4?

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You just did it again BAB

Half of a story does not finish the book

Maybe you think the Apostle Paul, who was an expert in Old Testament Law, got it wrong.

If that is the case, you are siding with the Judaizers.

Maybe you are like Pastor John Hagee, who says the Jews are still under the Old Covenant...
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No .... the other half that the preterism intentionally skews or leaves out completes the whole truth .... and nothing but the truth

The selected shunted preteristic story by itself is a dangerous doctrine not to be entertained

So if the first half says that the old covenant is done and circumcision is done, what other truth are we missing that would straighten out this "skewed" statement?
 
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"So if the first half says that the old covenant is done and circumcision is done, what other truth are we missing that would straighten out this "skewed" statement?"


Here is just one passage of scripture that nullifies your OC/NC rant with regard for Israel

Jeremiah
31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

31:28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.

31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.

31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.

31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

.... and I will give you just one other hint

Daniel
9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

and in the midst of the week he [the other prince that shall come] will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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So your first passage prophecies the coming of Jesus and the new covenant which is now written on our hearts. Your second passage also prophecies the coming of Jesus, along with his death after 3.5 years of ministry and the destruction of Jerusalem, and the temple, at the hands of the Roman army in 70 AD. Both of these prophecies have obviously come to pass.

I fail to see how either of these "nullifies" what Paul said about circumcision or the old covenant. And why would you want them to?
 
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You are mixing His covenant of salvation for both "Jew" and Gentile with no regard for national identity with the continuing covenant that He has with His nation of Israel with regard for national identity

All preterists must do this in order to attempt to support their replacement theology dogma

.... that Lord is finished with Israel as a nation and has subsequently replaced Israel with the "church"

Not true .... the majority of the divides of professing Christianity have done and do this for proprietary ambition

This ambition carries an "antisemitic" [anti-Israel] howling .... a hatred for Israel

Remember that He is a "Jew" by His humanity and still is .... and He is coming to rule the earth from Jerusalem

One of the Gentiles does not want to found standing against His nation Israel of which He will curse .... here is what He says [Matthew 25:31-46]

The goats found standing against Israel [His brethren, kin] will not fair well
 
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31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


The writer of the Book of Hebrews clearly stated that the covenant you quoted from the Old Testament was fulfilled in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.
It is in effect now.
It is not waiting on a pretrib removal of the Church.




Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

It could not be any clearer...

The Old Covenant is finished.

However, the Judaizers could not let go of it.
 
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You are mixing His covenant of salvation for both "Jew" and Gentile with no regard for national identity with the continuing covenant that He has with His nation of Israel with regard for national identity

All preterists must do this in order to attempt to support their replacement theology dogma

.... that Lord is finished with Israel as a nation and has subsequently replaced Israel with the "church"

Not true .... the majority of the divides of professing Christianity have done and do this for proprietary ambition

This ambition carries an "antisemitic" [anti-Israel] howling .... a hatred for Israel

Remember that He is a "Jew" by His humanity and still is .... and He is coming to rule the earth from Jerusalem

One of the Gentiles does not want to found standing against His nation Israel of which He will curse .... here is what He says [Matthew 25:31-46]

The goats found standing against Israel [His brethren, kin] will not fair well
First of all, just to correct your error on one of your points there, nobody is saying that the church has replaced Israel, rather the church has become a part of Israel, and those of Israel who do not accept Jesus have been cast out. Thereby, only believers are members of Israel.

Also, I take issue with your assertion that people purposely pervert the scriptures for their own personal ambitions. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I think we have to assume that Christians, regardless of their differences, simply care to know the truth but simply can't agree on what is the truth.

Besides that, you say that I'm mixing covenants, but how can I mix two covenants when one was made obsolete?

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

If the old covenant is obsolete, how can it have any value?
 
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Well that is what you think BAB

You continue to scripture pick ... and you do not know how to distinguish an rightly divide the Lord's Word with regard for His salvation and His intent with His nation of Israel

In your process you discard scads of scripture that must be included to verify the truth about this matter
 
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Well that is what you think BAB

You continue to scripture pick ... and you do not know how to distinguish an rightly divide the Lord's Word with regard for His salvation and His intent with His nation of Israel

In your process you discard scads of scripture that must be included to verify the truth about this matter
Come on now. If you believe that the old covenant is still in play, surely it's not so difficult for you to convince us. Explain how a covenant that has been described as old and obsolete can still hold value in the eyes of the Lord.
 
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"rather the church has become a part of Israel"

Nay ... the "church" has not become a part of national Israel [Romans 11:25-36]
Ephesians 2:19
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household.

It doesn't get much clearer than that. We are citizens of Israel.
 
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