A solution

[now faith]

Based on my last question and response I received,I have a solution.

It is clear that there is a big divide on theology among Calvinist and the rest of the Baptist.

As far a being neutral my answer was that would be almost impossible.

What would be wrong with Calvinist separation from Baptist?

They could simply call themselves Calvinist rather than Baptist.
It makes sense to me if it would end the never ending banter over the issue.

 

[Bluelion]

then people might think they are a cult. The JW broke a way from Mormons and they have been called a cult ever sense.

 

[twin1954]

Based on my last question and response I received,I have a solution.

It is clear that there is a big divide on theology among Calvinist and the rest of the Baptist.

As far a being neutral my answer was that would be almost impossible.

What would be wrong with Calvinist separation from Baptist?

They could simply call themselves Calvinist rather than Baptist.
It makes sense to me if it would end the never ending banter over the issue.

Baptists have historically been Calvinistic. Calvinistic theology has always been a major part of what it means to be a Baptist. Why should we separate from them? If the Arminian Baptists want to separate then they are free to go form another group and call themselves will worshippers.

 

[twin1954]

then people might think they are a cult. The JW broke a way from Mormons and they have been called a cult ever sense.

Except that the JW's are actually a cult by definition.

Many ignorant folks already call Calvinism a cult. We are often treated and disrespected as though we are as well. But we are not too offended for it isn't us that they hate it is the God we preach that they hate.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

You're solving a problem that doesn't exist. A Calvinist can attend a Baptist church quite comfortably without issue. Why don't you focus on splitting some other denomination? I hear the Catholics haven't split in a while. Maybe you could work on them.

 

[Bluelion]

Baptists have historically been Calvinistic. Calvinistic theology has always been a major part of what it means to be a Baptist. Why should we separate from them? If the Arminian Baptists want to separate then they are free to go form another group and call themselves will worshippers.

That is 100% false it started with John Calvin. John Calvin is not sited with the start of the baptist church. John Smyth was. In fact of those sited with the start only one was of Calvinist thought. Founders

In fact Calvinism is not accepted by conservative Baptist nor the southern Baptist which are the two major groups among Baptist.

 

[Bluelion]

Except that the JW's are actually a cult by definition.

Many ignorant folks already call Calvinism a cult. We are often treated and disrespected as though we are as well. But we are not too offended for it isn't us that they hate it is the God we preach that they hate.

you call JW cult but your answer is we are the true faith? JW say the same thing.

 

[DeaconDean]

That is 100% false it started with John Calvin. John Calvin is not sited with the start of the baptist church. John Smyth was. In fact of those sited with the start only one was of Calvinist thought. Founders

In fact Calvinism is not accepted by conservative Baptist nor the southern Baptist which are the two major groups among Baptist.

Incorrect.

Fact: the 1742 Philadelphia Baptist Confessioin of Faith is virtually the same as the Calvinistic 2nd london Baptist Confession of 1682.

Fact: until the Southern Baptist Convention wrote its own CoF in 1925, they used James P. Boyce's "Abstract of Principles" as its unoffical CoF.

Fact: The Baptist Faith and Message of 1925 (first "offical" CoF for Southern Baptists), is nothing more than the New Hampshire Confession with minor changes.

The first CoF written in the sounth came from the "Charlestowne Baptists" (Charleston S.C.) in the late 1700's. And it is Calvinistic.

The Sandy Creek Baptist Confession of 1758 is Calvinistic.

The New Hampshire Confession of 1833 is Calvinistic.

Both Arminian and Calvinist Baptists, have roots that go back to the founding of this country.

And Southern Baptists, have historically been "Calvinistic" by nature.

Sorry.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[standingtall]

Incorrect.

Fact: the 1742 Philadelphia Baptist Confessioin of Faith is virtually the same as the Calvinistic 2nd london Baptist Confession of 1682.

Fact: until the Southern Baptist Convention wrote its own CoF in 1925, they used James P. Boyce's "Abstract of Principles" as its unoffical CoF.

Fact: The Baptist Faith and Message of 1925 (first "offical" CoF for Southern Baptists), is nothing more than the New Hampshire Confession with minor changes.

The first CoF written in the sounth came from the "Charlestowne Baptists" (Charleston S.C.) in the late 1700's. And it is Calvinistic.

The Sandy Creek Baptist Confession of 1758 is Calvinistic.

The New Hampshire Confession of 1833 is Calvinistic.

Both Arminian and Calvinist Baptists, have roots that go back to the founding of this country.

And Southern Baptists, have historically been "Calvinistic" by nature.

Sorry.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Stop confusing people with facts! LOL

 

[DeaconDean]

Stop confusing people with facts! LOL

Staggering ani't it?

Lets see here, some high profile Baptists who were Calvinist:

Rodger Williams, Issac Backus, John Bunyun, John Owen, Shubel Sterns, Benjamin Keach, John Gill, Andrew Fuller, Dan Taylor, William Carey, Adroniram Judson, John Leyland, Richard Furman, Francis Wayland, John L. Dagg, James P. Boyce, Basil Manly Jr., J. R. Graves, John A Broadus, Charles H. Spurgeon, John Cliford, August Hopkins Strong, B.H. Carroll, Harry Emerson Fosdick, just to name a few from history.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[standingtall]

Based on my last question and response I received,I have a solution.

The Baptists already have a solution. If they are Calvinistic in nature, most attend a congregation that leans towards Calvinism. If they are Arminian, the same applies.

 

[twin1954]

That is 100% false it started with John Calvin. John Calvin is not sited with the start of the baptist church.

Actually it started with Christ and the Apostles but you haven't figured that out yet. It was also clearly taught by Augustine and has continued throughout the ages since.

John Smyth was. In fact of those sited with the start only one was of Calvinist thought. Founders

Depends on your view of Baptist history doesn't it. You are aware, being educated as you are, that there are more than one view of the history of the Baptists aren't you?

In fact Calvinism is not accepted by conservative Baptist nor the southern Baptist which are the two major groups among Baptist.

Perhaps you should check your facts before you make statements that are so easily refuted. I don't need to show how ridiculous your statement is Dean has done an outstanding job.

Instead of just repeating what you have been told to think actually do some thinking.

 

[twin1954]

you call JW cult but your answer is we are the true faith? JW say the same thing.

This has no merit nor is it worthy of a response.

Do you deny that the JW's are a cult? Perhaps you should look up the definition before you respond.

 

[twin1954]

Incorrect.

Fact: the 1742 Philadelphia Baptist Confessioin of Faith is virtually the same as the Calvinistic 2nd london Baptist Confession of 1682.

Fact: until the Southern Baptist Convention wrote its own CoF in 1925, they used James P. Boyce's "Abstract of Principles" as its unoffical CoF.

Fact: The Baptist Faith and Message of 1925 (first "offical" CoF for Southern Baptists), is nothing more than the New Hampshire Confession with minor changes.

The first CoF written in the sounth came from the "Charlestowne Baptists" (Charleston S.C.) in the late 1700's. And it is Calvinistic.

The Sandy Creek Baptist Confession of 1758 is Calvinistic.

The New Hampshire Confession of 1833 is Calvinistic.

Both Arminian and Calvinist Baptists, have roots that go back to the founding of this country.

And Southern Baptists, have historically been "Calvinistic" by nature.

Sorry.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Great job!

 

[Bluelion]

Incorrect.

Fact: the 1742 Philadelphia Baptist Confessioin of Faith is virtually the same as the Calvinistic 2nd london Baptist Confession of 1682.

Fact: until the Southern Baptist Convention wrote its own CoF in 1925, they used James P. Boyce's "Abstract of Principles" as its unoffical CoF.

Fact: The Baptist Faith and Message of 1925 (first "offical" CoF for Southern Baptists), is nothing more than the New Hampshire Confession with minor changes.

The first CoF written in the sounth came from the "Charlestowne Baptists" (Charleston S.C.) in the late 1700's. And it is Calvinistic.

The Sandy Creek Baptist Confession of 1758 is Calvinistic.

The New Hampshire Confession of 1833 is Calvinistic.

Both Arminian and Calvinist Baptists, have roots that go back to the founding of this country.

And Southern Baptists, have historically been "Calvinistic" by nature.

Sorry.

God Bless

Till all are one.

ok i stand corrected, however does not change that most are not now days.

 

[Bluelion]

You know its funny I grew up baptist have been baptist all my life and I never even heard of Calvinist until recently. Its funny you say this is the standard, yet my school teaches it is false doctrine, not all of it, but they do not agree with the 5 points. Oh I know what does a baptist school, the largest in fact know about anything, no church I have gone to in 38 has ever taught 5 point Calvinist. so you can site all you want that it is the standard it is untrue, and for the record I lived in the east north south and west and still never ran into it.

Maybe your not as big as you think.

 

[Bluelion]

This has no merit nor is it worthy of a response.

Do you deny that the JW's are a cult? Perhaps you should look up the definition before you respond.

Oh i get it you are the only true believers in Christ, everyone else is infidels.

 

[Bluelion]

another question if all baptist are Calvinist why the Calvinist icon separate from the baptist? Hmmm

 

[DeaconDean]

another question if all baptist are Calvinist why the Calvinist icon separate from the baptist? Hmmm

Not all "Baptists" are Calvinists.

Fact also is as far as Christianforums.com is concerned, the only "icon" that fit Baptists was the Bible.

Can you show me an icon for "Arminian Baptists"?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Hammster]

Based on my last question and response I received,I have a solution.

It is clear that there is a big divide on theology among Calvinist and the rest of the Baptist.

As far a being neutral my answer was that would be almost impossible.

What would be wrong with Calvinist separation from Baptist?

They could simply call themselves Calvinist rather than Baptist.
It makes sense to me if it would end the never ending banter over the issue.

Because we are Baptists. Maybe you've heard of something called the London Baptist Confession of Faith. It's Calvinistic.