A sitting member of congress calls for open defiance of the Supreme Court

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First we saw Church Schumer publicly call out specific justices if they voted against what he wanted in ROE.

and now we have a Democratic member of Congress openly calling for defiance of the Court Ruling.

“Women are going to control their bodies no matter how they try and stop us,” Waters told journalists at the Court. “The hell with the Supreme Court—we will defy them.

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It is a direct quote from a political leader.

Here is my point. The Court is the final authority on laws. What gives these Democratic Leaders the right to first threaten the Justices and then call for open defiance of law?

Do you support them?
Seems simple to me, some liberals cannot tolerate anything that conflicts with their views, so they shout them down, or cancel them or burn them down.
 
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Yes.

The leader of the Republican party has openly flouted and ignored the law throughout his entire political career, including an armed coup attempt. I don't want to hear a single conservative complaining about the other side until they get their own house in order.
All that and yet where is the evidence? On the other hand we have two plus years of the liberals burning down businesses, assaulting police, and inciting violence against the Justices.
 
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Yes.

Women should do what’s best for them in this situation, not what an unelected panel of lawyers decides is best for them.
Not quite that simple the court is a coequal branch of government, funny when the decision favors the liberal cause some people use that decision to beat others over the head but when it does not some of these same people turn on the court and make every attempt to discredit it.
 
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Sure. But that makes the duty a bit more distributed. I would say it is also the duty of police not to arrest, and that an unconstitutional law is not morally binding.

How do we know that t plans against abortion are unconstitutional? Because the Supreme Court told us. Sure a later court disagrees, but
  • They were put in place by a president and congress elected by minorities.
  • The ruling blatantly violates the intent of the bill of rights. It was never intended to be a list of all rights. Governments in the US are limited. They are not given the power to make things illegal that involve just our private lives because they offend a vocal minority.
  • At least some of the justices lied about their position in this issue to get on the Court.
None of this this affects what is legally enforceable, but it certainly affects the moral status of laws against abortion. They violate the basic principle of the US, and no one should feel obligated to obey them, except on practical grounds having to do with the ability of states to prosecute or persecute (given the novel enforcement in some states) them.
Where in the Constitution is there a right to abortion?
 
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Are you saying it's ok to break the law if someone feels like it's best for them?
I’m pretty sure that’s what everyone believes. If a law isn’t just, people don’t feel obligated to follow it outside of not wanting to be arrested or fined.
 
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Please stay on topic

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Sure. But that makes the duty a bit more distributed. I would say it is also the duty of police not to arrest, and that an unconstitutional law is not morally binding.

How do we know that t plans against abortion are unconstitutional? Because the Supreme Court told us. Sure a later court disagrees, but

They were put in place by a president and congress elected by minorities.
Neither the Senate nor the presidency was ever set up to represent the "majority" of the people, so this doesn't seem like it means much. If it's some kind of appeal to democracy, it should be pointed out that Roe v. Wade was the undemocratic decision. It struck down democratically elected laws and declared that such laws could not be enacted even through the normal democratic process. The reversal of Roe v. Wade allows for actual democracy to take place on the issue.
The ruling blatantly violates the intent of the bill of rights. It was never intended to be a list of all rights. Governments in the US are limited. They are not given the power to make things illegal that involve just our private lives because they offend a vocal minority.
While it is true the Bill of Rights was not intended to be a list of all rights, as the Ninth Amendment indicates, it also isn't a license to just come up with rights out of thin air, which is exactly what they did when they claimed abortion was a constitutional right. If the rights can be plausibly grounded in the history and tradition of the country, it can make sense to apply them (perhaps the classic example is right to travel)--but that is hard to argue in regards to abortion, as the opinion goes into quite some detail on.

When we just start inventing rights out of nowhere, you end up with things like the "Lochner era" where the Supreme Court was striking down workplace regulation laws for violating a supposed "freedom of contract" (which I would say still has better rationale than right to an abortion had).

If we're going to accept abortion is an unenumerated right, we should logically accept freedom of contract again and say it's unconstitutional to pass a law preventing bakers from working more than 60 hours a week. It's just as "blatant" of a violation of the Bill of Rights.

At least some of the justices lied about their position in this issue to get on the Court.
You're vague on this point, so it's hard to give a specific answer without a specific quote. I have certainly seen people claim they "lied" about their position on the issue, usually without pointing to any actual quotes--and when they do, one discovers the quotes don't say as much as they supposedly do. They either use totally noncommittal language or are just them saying precedent deserves some degree of respect--just like essentially every court nominee has done for decades now. None ever said they would not overturn Roe v. Wade, or at least no one has ever produced any quote that says that.
 
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Women should do what’s best for them in this situation, not what an unelected panel of lawyers decides is best for them.
Remember this is the same Supreme Court that voted to uphold results of the 2020 election. If this Supreme Court is faulty, which it is not, then Trump would have stayed in power.

Also, remember that in Roe vs Wade, the states were directed to establish "point of viability." But this was ignored in favor of extending abortion "rights" to the point of birth. Thus the original Supreme Court decision was abused. As Judge Alito wrote, "its most important rule (that States cannot protect fetal life prior to ‘viability’) was never raised by any Opinion of the Court party and has never been plausibly explained."

No one in his right mind would disagree with Mississippi's law that banned abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

Abortion is only permitted in cases of rape, incest or when the mother's life is in danger in Poland.

In Ireland and Germany, abortion procedures are banned in the majority of cases after 12 weeks.

Italy doesn't allow abortions after 90 days, or just under 13 weeks.

France, Austria and Spain have banned the procedure after 14 weeks.
 
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Yes.

Women should do what’s best for them in this situation, not what an unelected panel of lawyers decides is best for them.
You are right. And the best for them would be not to get pregnant if they do not wish to have children. Not kill the baby if they do because they did not want it.
 
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The Supreme Court didn't create any law with their decision. I have no idea how Waters intends to "defy" the SC in this case. Doesn't make much sense.
Not at all. Hopefully people wake up and see stupid when it shown.
 
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I’m advocating women do what they feel is best for them. What part of that did you not understand?
None of it when another life is in question.
 
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This is the topic of the thread
If we continue to allow anarchy to be spoke and seen as displayed in the OP then it is just a matter of time until Aleister Crowley’s motif is our nations motto. “Do thine own will”.
 
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So no actual quotes of the guy threatening multiple justices, just some talk about what the consequences might be and opinion pieces from the far right.

First link is from CNN - not a far right site - and contains a video of Chuck Schumer threatening the Justices by name.
 
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First link is from CNN - not a far right site - and contains a video of Chuck Schumer threatening the Justices by name.

Yeah, what Schumer said was completely inappropriate and offensive. He should be castigated and rebuked.
 
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