A simple question

[roflcopter101]

I think it falls into at least some sort of Calvinistic category.

There are as many circumstances as there are people - and how do we decide what is bane and what is blessing? I know that there are some people who faced cancer, and ultimately died. But during their bout with it, they learned so much about themselves, they learned how to accept the care of others, and they learned a lot about honesty.

Then one could look at those who most people call "fortunate." Sad, empty people who chase money to fill the desperate void within. It appears "easy" for them, yet they have little or no true happiness in their lives.,

THis is a generalization, I know. But I still can't come up with a way to "blame" God for disease, etc. It's just a part of life.

That's pretty profound, dude. Props.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

That's pretty profound, dude. Props.

Thanks!
I wasn't trying to be profound.
You raised issues of great controversy,
and I just wanted to answer with my own opinion.

 

[sk8Joyful]

I believe that logic does not always lead to disease.

Dis~eases (chronic), are processes starting/operating/perpetuating...
sub-consciously.

It's a rare individual, who accurately logically/consciously can pinpoint "I started cancering (or whatever), as a result of..."

Besides, has there been many cases
of diseases being caused by your "negative beliefs"?

too many

AIDS caused by pessimism?

pessimism - was scientifically proven to inactivate the Immune system, yes.

Cancer caused by infidelity?

too many

To have disease, death, pain, and what I mentioned before exist,
you would have to - believe that they were created by your god.

evidently not. As we, having helped various sufferers of various diseases, her/himself heal, from experience know.

 

[b&wpac4]

Sure, except the "bad part" kills millions of people every year, often in agony, regardless of whether they struggle or not. Nice gift from God, that.

People die all the time in good and bad ways. At least my view doesn't require something to exist without God being behind it.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

"birth-pangs", as you called it, arose from more unfortunately mistaken beliefs.

Ask me, daughter, & millions of other women who each of us birthed our children in fast, easy & complete Comfort.

Next question?

I take it you're not a literalist, either?

1 Gen 3: To the woman He said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children.

 

[yguy]

1. If death did not exist prior to the Fall, how could God possibly communicate the concept to Adam?

By allowing him to sin.

2. Adam and Eve eat. This suggests they're part of a functional ecosystem that includes both reproduction and death - otherwise, the garden of Eden would have been quickly overrun by self-multiplying organisms.

That assumes said multiplication would occur at a rate commensurate with what we no observe.

diseases (which are the consequence of certain micro-organisms multiplying in our body, not of nasty thoughts or deeds)

Our grasp of pathology is insufficient to support this claim. What keeps ever present microbes from destroying the human body is the immune system, which may be linked to our spiritual state.

Or a universe where God freely offered the fruits of both Knowledge and Life to the human pair, enjoying them becoming like Him.

You mean He could have done what satan did.

If such a thing as free will can exist in the presence of omniscience and omnipotence, then it would also have been possible to create a universe where the race of Man was not doomed in the very first generation, and yet keeping that freedom of choice intact.

No, because to exercise "free will" as Adam did is to reject freedom, since declaring independence from God only puts you in debt to the one who made that option attractive.

 

[Belk]

"birth-pangs", as you called it, arose from more unfortunately mistaken beliefs.

Ask me, daughter, & millions of other women who each of us birthed our children in fast, easy & complete Comfort.

Next question?

So my congenital birth defect was because of my bad attitude as a fetus?

 

[roflcopter101]

Dis~eases (chronic), are processes starting/operating/perpetuating...
sub-consciously.

too many

pessimism - was scientifically proven to inactivate the Immune system, yes.

too many

[citation needed]

evidently not. As we, having helped various sufferers of various diseases, her/himself heal, from experience know.

Know what? And is it true that you believe that your god created everything?

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

Dis~eases (chronic), are processes starting/operating/perpetuating...
subconsciously.
​

too many
​

pessimism - was scientifically proven to inactivate the Immune system, yes.
​

too many

[citation needed]

Start, by reading specialists like:
The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And Miracles by Dr. Bruce H. Lipton
Why People Don't Heal And How They Can by Caroline Myss, Ph.D.
The Power Of Intention by Dr. Wayne Dyer
Ageless Body, Timeless Mind by Deepak Chopra, M.D.

As we, having helped various sufferers of various diseases, her/himself heal, from experience know.

​

Know what?

that each Individual's mind... makes choices... regarding health, or disease.

And is it true that you believe that your god created everything?

yes, GOD created everything, and
then gave us humans *choice* in our soul & mind. And
Health-wise, we have billions of choices...

Cheers!

 

[roflcopter101]

The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And Miracles by Dr. Bruce H. Lipton
Why People Don't Heal And How They Can by Caroline Myss, Ph.D.
The Power Of Intention by Dr. Wayne Dyer
Ageless Body, Timeless Mind by Deepak Chopra, M.D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-Medicine
That's where you got those authors, correct? Let me quote another section of that article.

META-Medicine is merely a set of tautologies and rationalisations with no scientifically proven effect. META-Medicine is in part based on Dr. Hamer's work and therefore can not be taken seriously.
The above mentioned anomalies in brain CT scans have been identified by radiologists to be ring artifacts.[7]
Despite a psychological and emotional state is important to recovery from illness, it is clear that meta-medicine overstates this, while not placing enough emphasis on foreign molecules invading the body.

that each Individual's mind... makes choices... regarding health, or disease.

I can see that some types of diabetes and obesity can be prevented through mental decisions, but I'm not too sure of Ebola or Anthrax or Sickle Cell Anemia. If there was a mental way to cure these diseases, I'd like to know.

yes, GOD created everything, and
then gave us humans *choice* in our soul & mind. And
Health-wise, we have billions of choices...

You miss my point.
Why would that god create humanity if it (I'm too lazy to say he/she/it) would create pain, suffering, etc. afterwards, and what does this creation suggest about that god if it knows the past, present, and future while holding massive power?

 

[quatona]

I believe in God. My beliefs on creation would be those of theistic evolution.

Ok.

My question is simply this......Why?

Typically why-questions aren´t simple. Typically they are loaded and/or come with hidden assumptions. Also, typically it´s not clear whether they ask for the description and/or explanation of a mechanism, for a cause-effect description, for motives/intentions or whatnot.

Why existence?

What are the prerequisites for an answer to be satisfactory, in your book?
Let me guess: Nothing short of "God wanted there to be existence and therefore created it" will pass, anyways.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Start, by reading specialists like:
The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And Miracles by Dr. Bruce H. Lipton
Why People Don't Heal And How They Can by Caroline Myss, Ph.D.
The Power Of Intention by Dr. Wayne Dyer
Ageless Body, Timeless Mind by Deepak Chopra, M.D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-Medicine
That's where you got those authors, correct?

not. - and why assume?,
people in the business of helping people heal,
'wikipedia' :o

I can see that some types of diabetes and obesity can be prevented through mental decisions,

not consciously tho, as said repeatedly.

but I'm not too sure of Ebola or Anthrax or Sickle Cell Anemia.
If there was a mental way to cure these diseases, I'd like to know.

An obvious-physical agent,
(such as Anthrax caused by the spore-forming bacterium Bacillus anthracis),
gets a physical-defense, while the mind can act as a 2ndary. support agent.

Sickle Cell Anemia is different.

You miss my point.

not. - and asking me to perceive GOD's LOVE,
via a negative-mind asking your same question over & over, wastes both of our precious time

Why would that god create humanity,
if it (I'm too lazy to say he/she/it) would create pain, suffering, etc. afterwards,
and what does this creation suggest about that god
if it knows the past, present, and future while holding massive power?

the point you're not getting, or accepting, is that
GOD says "my thoughts are not your (man's) thoughts,
neither are my ways, your (man's) ways".
iow,
man not understanding GOD's LOVE,
is then left to re-invent Him, in a negative-mind,
to be just as negative as the person with harmful beliefs.

GOD's "massive"-power, as you rightly said, originates in His LOVE - a wholy-different orientation towards LIFE...
Search deep inside yourself, to find it by GOD imprinted... in this I wish you well!

 

[roflcopter101]

not consciously tho, as said repeatedly.

Not necessarily. In many cases, obesity can be avoided with a healthy diet and exercise, while some types of diabetes can be avoided by reducing sugar intake.

An obvious-physical agent,
(such as Anthrax caused by the spore-forming bacterium Bacillus anthracis),
gets a physical-defense, while the mind can act as a 2ndary. support agent.

Uh, I think that contradicts your earlier post:

Dis~eases (chronic), are processes starting/operating/perpetuating...
subconsciously.

Sickle Cell Anemia is different.

Explain, please.

not. - and asking me to perceive GOD's LOVE,
via a negative-mind asking your same question over & over, wastes both of our precious time

I'm afraid the first part of your argument makes absolutely no sense to me due to grammatical phail.
However, you have still not answered my question. What does your god's supposed creation of suffering/I'm not going to repeat this phrase imply about your god's creation of humanity?

the point you're not getting, or accepting, is that
GOD says "my thoughts are not your (man's) thoughts,
neither are my ways, your (man's) ways".
iow,
man not understanding GOD's LOVE,
is then left to re-invent Him, in a negative-mind,
to be just as negative as the person with harmful beliefs.

So you are essentially stating that I cannot understand because I'm not your god?

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I believe in God. My beliefs on creation would be those of theistic evolution.


My question is simply this......Why?


Why existence?

good question and for that you'd have to ask god.

When i was somewhat religious i believed that existing only as yourself would be horrible boring. Think about if your in a room by yourself you are going to try to do something. God essentially in an empty room decided to do something and remove any loneliness.

Now why would existence exists outside of any being.
Cant say without understanding the laws of the universe or how they came into being.