A simple question

[sk8Joyful]

So he makes death and disease and suffering and pain because he loves us?

GOD loves... including benevolently us.

But after messing up, & suffering consequences like
dis-ease, sickness & damnation, you can't blame such on GOD.

You need to accept responsability: LOVE & heal, and get on with God's business...
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[sk8Joyful]

And I am still wondering:
Why does a benevolent god create "death and disease and suffering and pain"?

If a god would create us, and damn us, would not that suggest that this god created us for his sadistic amusement?

one more time :
GOD loves... including benevolently us.

But after messing up, & suffering consequences like
dis-ease, sickness & damnation, you can't blame such on GOD.

You need to accept responsability: LOVE & heal, and get on with God's business...

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

No.
GOD loves... including us.

But after messing up, & suffering consequences like dis-ease, sickness & death, you can't blame that on GOD.

You need to accept responsability: LOVE & heal, and get on with God's business...

How are diseases and draughts tied to Man's acquiring knowledge of good and evil?
You'd be hard-pressed to show how these two are connected, even remotely so. Arguing that awareness made crimes possible is one thing. But totally unrelated natural phenomena appearing out of nowhere because Man perceives the world differently? That's rather far-fetched.

 

[David Brider]

In answer to the OP...I don't know.

I believe that the universe and everything in it was created by God. But I don't know. It's equally possible that it was all achieved by natural phenomena with God playing no part in it (not that I rule out God using natural phenomena), or that we were all sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.

For the moment, I'm just content to enjoy life, and to try to be good to other people.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

No. Feelings do not preexist that for which they are felt. Feelings are about something. You feel a way about something or someone. Even if you don't know what, they are necessarily relational.

But before anything else WAS, God IS. (therefore LOVE is)

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

But before anything else WAS, God IS. (therefore LOVE is)

Love needs a point of reference, non?
When nothing was, nothing was there to be loved, therefore - no love.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Love needs a point of reference, non?
When nothing was, nothing was there to be loved, therefore - no love.

Personally, I think it has always existed.
It's sometimes ok to admit that there are things beyond our comprehension.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Personally, I think it has always existed.
It's sometimes ok to admit that there are things beyond our comprehension.

Oh, absolutely! But don't you think it's a little bit... oh, I don't know... inconsistent to admit to limits of our knowledge - and then pretend they weren't there, making very far-reaching statements about the very things we've just defined as "beyond comprehension"?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Oh, absolutely! But don't you think it's a little bit... oh, I don't know... inconsistent to admit to limits of our knowledge - and then pretend they weren't there, making very far-reaching statements about the very things we've just defined as "beyond comprehension"?

I guess I am just stating my belief about such things.

But I don't have any problem with making far-reaching statements about God. (just me, I guess)

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I guess I am just stating my belief about such things.

But I don't have any problem with making far-reaching statements about God. (just me, I guess)

Beliefs need foundations. If these foundations are beyond our ken, how can we consistently hold such beliefs?

And no, it's not just you. Maybe you have noticed how some of the more... fundamental members on this board use "God is unfathomable" whenever faced with a dilemma, but feel perfectly free to attribute all kinds of human feelings, thoughts and motives to "Him" otherwise.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Beliefs need foundations. If these foundations are beyond our ken, how can we consistently hold such beliefs?

And no, it's not just you. Maybe you have noticed how some of the more... fundamental members on this board use "God is unfathomable" whenever faced with a dilemma, but feel perfectly free to attribute all kinds of human feelings, thoughts and motives to "Him" otherwise.

Yeah, I have noticed that.

For me, it's a matter faith. I don't need to "know" whether a thing/concept is literally true or not. I'm happy with paradox, as I find it brings me deeper into relationship with God (the way I know God).

The opposite of faith is not doubt, it's certainty.

This is one of the crucial differences between literal, legalistic, conservative Christianity and liberal Christianity.

 

[roflcopter101]

It's not a question I ask, as I view life as a combination of good things and bad things. We find God, hopefully, in how we respond to both.

No, but understanding why he/she/it cursed humanity is vital to understanding why he/she/it created us.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

No, but understanding why he/she/it cursed humanity is vital to understanding why he/she/it created us.

One must first assume that your above claim is valid.

I do not.

 

[Belk]

I believe in God. My beliefs on creation would be those of theistic evolution.


My question is simply this......Why?


Why existence?

Because ?????? Out of cheese error ++++redo from start++++

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

GOD loves... including us.

But after messing up, & suffering consequences like dis-ease, sickness & death, you can't blame that on GOD.

You need to accept responsability: LOVE & heal, and get on with God's business...
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How are diseases and
draughts tied to Man's acquiring knowledge of good and evil?
Arguing that awareness made crimes possible is one thing.
But totally unrelated natural phenomena appearing out of nowhere,
because Man perceives the world differently? That's rather far-fetched.

Might be helpful agreeing on context, since context provides meaning.

by "dis-eases", I meant bodily-"chronic" conditions started by an individual.
Most christians, (incldg. the one I responded to) blame these on GOD;
while GOD does not make an Individual's mistaken choices.

 

[roflcopter101]

One must first assume that your above claim is valid.

Wait, do you think the part about said god cursing humanity is not valid, or that suffering and motives for creation are unrelated?

 

[sk8Joyful]

understanding why he/she/it cursed humanity
is vital to understanding why he/she/it created us.

Why would GOD, only LOVES... incldg. His created humanity,

then "curse" us?? - that's a mis-understanding.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Wait, do you think the part about said god cursing humanity is not valid, or that suffering and motives for creation are unrelated?

God does not curse.

Can you clarify your second clause?

 

[roflcopter101]

But after messing up, & suffering consequences like dis-ease, sickness & death, you can't blame that on GOD.

Of course I can!
If you could give water to a dehydrated man in the desert, not doing so would be equivalent to murder.
Why are we responsible for disease, sickness, and death?
And why would the god feel the need to test our faith in the "garden of Eden" if humanity could obviously not harm him? Somehow, the USA gets by without stopping random people to cursory inspections and examinations in order to determine their "loyalty to our glorious country".

 

[roflcopter101]

God does not curse.

So you think death, disease, and suffering are cool and awesome?

Can you clarify your second clause?

Of course.
I ask whether you question if your god's endowment of said death, disease, and suffering reflects on the motives of said god in creating humanity.
Actually, now I think about it, do animals sin?