A Riddle For Atheists - Evolutionists Can't Handle This One

[futzman]

The following information comes from Perry Marshall:

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1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
2) All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.

If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.

Perry Marshall

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If you agree with points 1 to 3 above, guess what......you are a creationist.

For more very interesting material from the author above check here:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm

Let's assume this is true. Does it follow from this that evolution is not true? If so, then why?

 

[Wyzaard]

But all of that encoded information happened purely by accident, eh?

What encoded information? Oh! You're using loaded terms, I see.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

A string of chemicals that contains information

No it doesn't.

so amazingly complex that we are only starting to be able to understand it.

Actually, we have a pretty good idea how protiens work, how they evolved, how they form, etc.

But all of that encoded information happened purely by accident, eh?

What? No. It happened over 3.5 billion years of accumulative evolution by natural selection.

And you call yourself intelligent............

Ad hominems do not an argument make.

 

[corvus_corax]

DNA is not a code.

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A string of chemicals that contains information so amazingly complex

Stop
Dead stop
Define "information"

But all of that encoded information happened purely by accident, eh?

~sigh~
How many times does it need to be repeated that chemical actions are NOT random?

Did you even get a "C" in science class?
(not an ad hom, but rather a genuine question).
Evolutionary theory, likewise, does not subscribe to the "random" chaos you seem to be confusing it with.

And you call yourself intelligent............

Ad hominem attacks.
Attack the person, or their intelligence, or their capability.
Good job, you just lost the debate

No it doesn't.p

As above, but from your pov-
Define "information".
No offence meant W_C , but saying "yes it does" (as was stated above) and saying "no it doesn't" (as you stated) really means nothing, considering the fact that most people dont even know what "information" means (which is why I usually- but not always- try to avoid using that word)

 

[Wiccan_Child]

As above, but from your pov-
Define "information".
No offence meant W_C , but saying "yes it does" (as was stated above) and saying "no it doesn't" (as you stated) really means nothing, considering the fact that most people dont even know what "information" means (which is why I usually- but not always- try to avoid using that word)

I was being facetious: he claimed there was information without defining 'information', and I highlighted the flaw in this claim by making an equally insubstantial claim.

 

[keith99]

Very well done. I knew there was an argument like this, but missed it. But once said others become obvious. History is also encoced in the rocks. Just taking your thought one small step forward. The code is a bit harder to read, but the information is there and need not have involvement from any lifing (and thus potentailly thinking) thing.

Well, this depends on how you define code.

I would define code as "information being able to be interpreted without the actual subject of the information at hand". Like in, "apple" is the code word for some kind of fruit, and by the interpretation method of reading some of us have learnes, we are able to create the image of a piece of fruit in our mind without having to see one or having to have a picture of an apple, which of course is a form of code in itself, because a picture of an apple is not an apple... but I'm getting a little carried away here.

So, in simple words: A piece of information that can be interpreted is a code.

If this definition of code kinda fits your definition of code, then I would propose:

___---*** The Tree Rings! ***---___

The rings of a tree are occuring 100% naturally because trees grow slower during winter then during summer. They are encoding a lot of information, like the age of the tree or the length and intensity of every single winter and summer. You have to use your mind to interpret them, but you also need special enzyms to "read" the DNA.

This took me half a minute to figure out. the argument seems toppled to me. Good luck next time MandM.

 

[keith99]

Oh wow! A Flu epidemic that will kill millions. No time frame, no start point...

Pretty easy to have come true millions isn't that many with over 6 billion people and many in thrid world countries.

Guess if I predict an earthquake in California that will cause billions in property damage I must have heard it from God (at least if it comes true).

Sorry, no time frame, no details it just means I would be playing on the fears of the foolish.

I am most definitely not a troll.

My arguments are certainly not laughable.

Nor am I able to spend 24 hours a day on this forum.

Nothing seems to convince some of you.

Perhaps, when what Prophet Tom Deckard has prophesied comes true you will be convinced:

http://www.jewishprophet.com/End Time Messenger/Warning.htm

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh wow! A Flu epidemic that will kill millions. No time frame, no start point...

To tell you the truth, I think we dodged the bullet with SARS. If that same bug had come around at the turn of the century it might have caused as many deaths as the flu pandemic of 1917.

 

[RangerJoe]

If DNA is not a code, then scientists should stop calling it a code. They must be lying! And if scientists are lying about DNA code, they may be lying about evolution! Me thinks your stuck.

They call it a code so they can identify it amongst their peers. They don't literally mean that it's a series of numbers that all form together. DNA, if I'm not mistaken, is a combination of chemicals that have bonded to create our very makeup.

Honestly...Why is it so hard to accept that your God, in all of his infinite wisdom, knew that his creations would change the environment he created and made it so it could go continuously without having to be hard booted from time to time in order to keep things kosher?

Me thinks you need to embrace a bit of logic and not make such drastic leaps to conclusions that can't support your weight.

RLTW...ATW

 

[RichardT]

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[Revelation1217]

To all those who have been mean to me on this thread:

1) I love you

2) I wish the very best for you

3) If you would like me to pray for you, please leave your requests on this thread

 

[Split Rock]

To all those who have been mean to me on this thread:

People have been mean to you here??? That is awful (*sniff*).

1) I love you

I love you too!

2) I wish the very best for you

I wish the very best for you too!

3) If you would like me to pray for you, please leave your requests on this thread

Thanks! If you would like for me to pray to the Invisible Pink Unicorn for you, let me know.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

To all those who have been mean to me on this thread:

1) I love you

2) I wish the very best for you

3) If you would like me to pray for you, please leave your requests on this thread

1) i sincerly dont know you so any comments on love would be pretty empty. like, i love those starving children. I can say i empathise with humanity in general.

2) thanks, i hope you continue to educate yourself.

3) If you would like ill ask my invisible friends to help you out too..

 

[SLP]

The following information comes from Perry Marshall:

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1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
2) All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.

If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.

Perry Marshall

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If you agree with points 1 to 3 above, guess what......you are a creationist.

For more very interesting material from the author above check here:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm

Perry Marshall the creationist computer programmer?

Well, I guess evolution MUST be false if a computer programmer said so....

 

[Revelation1217]

Perry Marshall the creationist computer programmer?

Well, I guess evolution MUST be false if a computer programmer said so....

I believe that Mr. Marshall has made some very important points.

 

[Vene]

DNA forming proteins is as much of a code as an acid and base forming a salt.

 

[Dal M.]

I believe that Mr. Marshall has made some very important points.

It doesn't look that way. It looks like he's just decided to call anything sufficiently complex a "code," then use that word's connotations to suggest that it shares a specific trait in common with everything that legitimately meets the definition.

He might as well have decided to call anything with four wheels a shopping cart, then conclude that Kia Sedonas are routinely pushed through the aisles of supermarkets.

 

[MoonLancer]

oh never mind, whats the point eh?

 

[TheManeki]

Perry Marshall the creationist computer programmer?

Well, I guess evolution MUST be false if a computer programmer said so....

It's been a while since I did any pogramming, but I'll give it a shot:

void creationist_programming()
{

top:

if(reality != creationist_beliefs)
{
cout << "Reality is wrong!" << endl;
}

goto top; // I know goto is bad form; that's why I'm using it here

}

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It's been a while since I did any pogramming, but I'll give it a shot:

And lo, the heathen will shew ye C++. But listen ye not! For it be the Devil's language. Yarr!

I appear to have evolved from Olde English to Pirate-y. I say.