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A Riddle For Atheists - Evolutionists Can't Handle This One

Nathan Poe

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That is a matter of opinion again, and yes many people will ignore them but not someone who is looking for information.

How about people looking for relevant information.

While I usually dont make posts that long I felt that the post was so well written and made many good points that it will be a very good reference point to go to.

Well, that's a matter of opinion.


Many people also gloss over a link when they are researching also. These posts will also pull in many people that are looking through google for the truth, and I think I will risk my forum reputation one time if it will bring those people here.

You mean "bring those people to you," don't you?

You also said that these posts were blather, but again I say to you whats one mans blather is another mans gold. Matter of opinion isnt it.

if you wish to be such a relativist, so be it -- if you think it's gold, I'm sure that's all that matters to you.
 
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A very good example, AV -- I'm surprised you found it.

The OP there has posted exactly what he wants, and has offered detailed, but clear and objective criteria.
You left the word "short" out.

Is that why it's his second posting?
 
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Why don't you ask him, AV? Or are you afraid that getting an answer won't make you look clever?
I couldn't care less.

He's not going to get an answer that satisfies him -- I know that much.
 
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I couldn't care less.

Now, now, AV -- if you're not going to be honest with me, at least be honest with yourself.

He's not going to get an answer that satisfies him -- I know that much.

Because no such answer exists -- take away the semantics, the doublethink, and the weaseling, and creationism has no choice but to stand on its own merits -- of which it has none.

Even you (who so desperately wants to avoid the YEC label) have nothing to go on except "Jesus was a creationist; that's good enough for me."
 
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From where? his OP? Genesis 1?

From creationism, AV -- haven't we already had this talk about you pretending to be obtuse?

What are you talking about?

What's wrong AV -- don't even read your own links anymore?

Sad, really.
 
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From creationism, AV --
Good idea then -- let's remove all the excess chatter and give you what you want:

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


No questions -- right?
 
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Good idea then -- let's remove all the excess chatter and give you what you want:

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

No questions -- right?

Just one question, but it really belongs over in the other thread:

Do you have anything that supports that what you just posted actually happened as described?
 
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Do you have anything that supports that what you just posted actually happened as described?
Would it matter?

You'd just call it semantics, doublethink and weaseling; wouldn't you?
 
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Would it matter?

So, that's a no.

You'd just call it semantics, doublethink and weaseling; wouldn't you?

Only if it is -- but I have faith in you guys; perhaps someday you or one of the other creationists will post something that isn't.
 
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Only if it is -- but I have faith in you guys; perhaps someday you or one of the other creationists will post something that isn't.
Specifically, posting something that agrees with you -- right?
 
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Specifically, posting something that agrees with you -- right?

Nope -- just something that stands on its own merits without resorting to semantic games or the same tired old sophisms. preferably one that didn't agree with me; most of us are here for rational debate, which requires to equal but opposing sides.
 
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Nope -- just something that stands on its own merits without resorting to semantic games or the same tired old sophisms.
So are you saying you want us all to talk in postulates?

If so, there would be no need for discussion -- would there?

How long would you hang around here, if we all talked in postulates?
 
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So are you saying you want us all to talk in postulates?

If so, there would be no need for discussion -- would there?

How long would you hang around here, if we all talked in postulates?
Again with more rubbish but you can't be blamed because in giving you creationism they gave you absolutely nothing to work with.
 
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... in giving you creationism they gave you absolutely nothing to work with.
Indeed!

That's exactly what God started with -- nothing!

That's why it's called creatio ex nihilo.
 
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I thought the backbone of creationism was that 'Nothing can come from Nothing'?
The backbone of creationism is that God created the universe from nothing.
 
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