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I'm sorry but how old are you and what country do you live in? Is that why you talk/type the way you do?
If it doesn't have to do with your age or country is there anyway you could talk/type where it can be understood more easily as to what you are saying and meaning.
Thanks, and I hope I haven't offended you.
And, for the I don't how many times, verse 27 says therefore also, as I pointed out in the last post about this.
No argument with the statement in red as it knows levels of that far beyond what bes debated here. To the point where it feels applying that label to homosexuality bes the equivalent of applying the label of murder to accidentally knocking someone over with a bicycle on the sidewalk.
However, all such considerations of "degree" or "type" aside, it bes mystified why some consider the spiritual equivalent of disease (affliction) to be "offensive". Do we consider those with cancer or heart failure or leukemia or Lou Gehrig's disease or leprosy or mono or the pox or whatnot to be "offensive"? Or do we pity (not in the "pity-party" sense but in the compassion sense) them their plight and pray for their recovery?
Not possible. You can't read the Scripture with the Holy Spirit's eyes when reading a proven false/erroneous translation. Next?
At this point we bes going way off topic because your soteriology bes flawed and toxic. You speak of things only God can do as things humans bes "supposed to" do themselves. If this truly bes one's kink then they bes unregenerate themselves, seeking to establish their own righteousness and having not received the righteousness of JC. (Use of initials for respect, BTW, not disrespect as some have tried to falsely claim. This one should not write the name of the Holiest; it would be unseemly.)
It will not derail the thread with a full exposition on the difference between the subtle legalisms inherent in toxic soteriology and its skewed views of "justification" vs. "sanctification", "forensic" salvation versus "obedience", etc. but suffice it to say human wordings always givesy away them positions. Any what phrases it as a product of human effort or a requirement of human execution bes thereby demonstrating they have never known the True Walking in the Spirit in which bes not fulfilled the lusts of the flesh. For none having ever walked there even one hour would ever fail again to recognize the difference.
Oh that it might be delivered and walk there again ....
You unfortunately forgot verses 4 and 5 in this passage which finish out the FULL thought being expressed here:
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressionsit is by grace you have been saved.
It would be patently absurd to retrogressively invoke a wrath which Creator has already dealt with by placing the burden of the sins of the entire world, past, present and future, upon JC, and in fact did He so -- according to verse 5 -- even when all ppls STILL BES in the place described by verses 1-3. No wonder you bes so frustrated and labor in vain, friend. You have the form of godliness but not the power thereof. You strain to illuminate the wrath already past and dealt with and fail to grasp the love that makes it so. You resolve your considerations under condemnation and doom and do not move on from there into Good News. Your consistent striving at verbal and literary exclusions of a segment of the population whom you deem unworthy from HEARING the Good News, strikes Moriah similar to them Pharisees whats shutsy the Gate to the Kingdom in ppls faces, not permitting them to enter neither entering themselves. It appears you will not permit yourself to move out of wrath and fear into resting in perfect love, so you will not permit others that either. How sad.
Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:You unfortunately forgot verses 4 and 5 in this passage which finish out the FULL thought being expressed here:
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressionsit is by grace you have been saved.
It would be patently absurd to retrogressively invoke a wrath which Creator has already dealt with by placing the burden of the sins of the entire world, past, present and future, upon JC, and in fact did He so -- according to verse 5 -- even when all ppls STILL BES in the place described by verses 1-3. No wonder you bes so frustrated and labor in vain, friend. You have the form of godliness but not the power thereof. You strain to illuminate the wrath already past and dealt with and fail to grasp the love that makes it so. You resolve your considerations under condemnation and doom and do not move on from there into Good News. Your consistent striving at verbal and literary exclusions of a segment of the population whom you deem unworthy from HEARING the Good News, strikes Moriah similar to them Pharisees whats shutsy the Gate to the Kingdom in ppls faces, not permitting them to enter neither entering themselves. It appears you will not permit yourself to move out of wrath and fear into resting in perfect love, so you will not permit others that either. How sad.
That is a falsehood. My bible is not a false translation. Your interpretation is self-serving. The Holy Spirit tells me what is true and right and good.
I have God's viewpoint. Children of the King always take on the King's view. It is stupid not to. We aren;t His ambassadors out there pushing our own views on things. No, we love Him and represent Him in all things. It's our job.
You have a lot to learn if you think you can actually refute translations by merely calling them self-serving.That is a falsehood. My bible is not a false translation. Your interpretation is self-serving. The Holy Spirit tells me what is true and right and good.
Suit yourself, the post still stands though. Bes you treating them whats over in America from another country this fashion also?Unless you speak proper English, I will not be reading this affected mess.
Some of you used to be like that. But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God's Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.
When one comes to Jesus Christ, one is supposed to regenerate and walk in holiness. When one refuses, he is walking in disobedience.
Ephesians 2:1-3
In the past you were dead because you sinned and fought against God. You followed the ways of this world and obeyed the devil. He rules the world, and his spirit has power over everyone who doesn't obey God. Once we were also ruled by the selfish desires of our bodies and minds. We had made God angry, and we were going to be punished like everyone else.
You have a lot to learn if you think you can actually refute translations by merely calling them self-serving.
Floatingaxe said:Homosexuals have NO credibility with the Body of Christ as long as they continue to argue for their perverse lifestyles.
A "lifestyle" not even mentioned in the Bible, nor gays or lesbians, yet you wish to say gays and lesbians are not credible in the Body of Christ? that is pretty ironic.
in re post #176 above...
But that freedom does not come from bondage to interminable and futile behavioral-modification programs for the flesh called "religion". That freedom comes from walking in the Spirit where the lusts of the flesh bes not fulfilled.
It doesn't matter, "therefore" and "for this cause" are BOTH referring to worshiping the graven images, you have the verse numbers and the connection confused.
The best translation for what? I believe the KJV uses "abusers of themselves with mankind" which still is an inaccurate, faulty translation. If I said the KJV is the most accurate, I probably meant it as in general with the whole Bible. I never said that the KJV is 100% accurate, as it has been proven to not be.
Generalization. What you are finding is that there are liberals who don't agree with mainstream Christianity or believe in the Bible at all, so of course, they don't believe that Jesus is God. Follow that up with the fact that they don't believe that homosexuality is sin, but why would they believe that to start if they don't agree with Christian doctrine?
Are you trying to say that homosexuals are embracing the idea that Jesus isn't God or making some correlation?
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