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I believe the Bible and has told you so and shown you the Bible texts I believe.Seriously. Believe what you want.
I have shown you the evidence, you haven’t shown me any.Its not like you care about actual evidence.
No, if this were the case then why not just edit the entire story out?
if you throw out the fact that david was God's anointed while Saul was God's appointed. Also throw out that jonathan was the successor to the throne. And furthermore throw out that saul knew that david would succeed him over his own flesh and blood.
To even try to encapsulate their relationship as some sort of sexual engagement is a total injustice to the story and to the people involved.
YepJet_A_Jockey said:No, if this were the case then why not just edit the entire story out?
Jet_A_Jockey said:if you throw out the fact that david was God's anointed while Saul was God's appointed. Also throw out that jonathan was the successor to the throne. And furthermore throw out that saul knew that david would succeed him over his own flesh and blood.
Amen!Jet_A_Jockey said:To even try to encapsulate their relationship as some sort of sexual engagement is a total injustice to the story and to the people involved.
Basically, if one were to propose Jesus loved His disciple John more than any woman, meant that He had sex with him, that isnt significantly different an argument than the assumption David had sex with Jonathan, both are based on love without any mention of sex.
If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... chances are, its a duck.It is an extraordinary thing how the Word of God can openly reveal the mindset of the one who reads it. It is revelatory indeed, sussing out the depravity within the very mind of the reader.
When I read the stories of David, I am awed by the love of God and His specific love for David, and I am touched by the pure love of Jonathan and David! My mind doesn't twist up and assign depravity to them--because God's love is pure, and His relationship with David was intimate and holy...and my relationship with God is one of intimacy, because He cleansed me from my sin and set me right. Therefore I understand God's Word concerning the nature of David and Jonathan's relationship. It was not evil as some here are suggesting.
Easy. God doesn't damn homosexuals.How could God damn homosexuals in one breath, and then in the next breath call one "after his own heart?"
So, are you insinuating that God lies at one point and tells the truth at another when it suits your agenda?Easy. God doesn't damn homosexuals.
Otherwise he wouldn't have "chosen" David, would he?
No, I insinuate nothing.So, are you insinuating that God lies at one point and tells the truth at another when it suits your agenda?
That's equatable to calling God a liar..he condemns it in his word.No, I insinuate nothing.
I will say straight out that God has never condemned homosexual relationships.
No, its not calling God a liar.That's equatable to calling God a liar..he condemns it in his word.
Wow people.. If you think that context indicates that David was a homosexual..well I don't even know what advice to give you.
How could God damn homosexuals in one breath, and then in the next breath call one "after his own heart?"
I'm afraid it's just silly to insinuate such things.
And I'm not even getting into the Jesus-John CRAP GARBAGE.
False..No, its not calling God a liar.
Its calling who ever wrote whatever bit of the Bible you think condemns homosexuality, wrong.
Big difference. The Bible was not written by God, nor does it even claim to be. Why you seem to think it is is quite beyond me.
That's equatable to calling God a liar..he condemns it in his word.
God BREATHED means INSPIRED... not DICTATED."All Scripture is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness."
There's about a .5% variance between the various manuscripts in our possession if that's what you mean. Never the less..the verse STILL SAYS that ALL scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness..NOT just the parts the sinful nature of us human beings would LIKE to be right.God BREATHED means INSPIRED... not DICTATED.
Big difference.
Floating axe is something of an expert on all the translation and transcription errors to be found in the Bible, ask her for a list. If it were REALLY God dictated, do you think He'd let all those errors in?
And when you point out logical fallacies in certain people's statements, you get reported and ALL your posts deleted. I find the running to the teacher mindset interesting.God BREATHED means INSPIRED... not DICTATED.
Big difference.
Floating axe is something of an expert on all the translation and transcription errors to be found in the Bible, ask her for a list. If it were REALLY God dictated, do you think He'd let all those errors in?
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