a question..

[Jodi_99]

i just finished reading the foreplay before marriage posts.. very interesting and very good points are made. Reading those kinda sparked a question i've always had but never really asked anyone. Is there something that says how far is too far besides how one personally feels? I'm not sure if this should be in the strictly christian forums or not, but is there anything in the Bible that says what exactly we should and shouldn't do before marriage besides not having sex? i'd like to have more than just my moral guide lines really. I've been told not to portake in foreplay, but, couldn't that be anything? How do you distinguish the difference between the "right and wrong" things or what foreplay is or isnt? another question,foreplay could be said to be what you make it, like what personally leads one person to actually having sex...if this is true and it is what you make it,couldn't people say that they can do everything but sex and still not be portaking in foreplay?

* hope my question wasn't offensive.. just wondering

 

[The Bellman]

i just finished reading the foreplay before marriage posts.. very interesting and very good points are made. Reading those kinda sparked a question i've always had but never really asked anyone. Is there something that says how far is too far besides how one personally feels? I'm not sure if this should be in the strictly christian forums or not, but is there anything in the Bible that says what exactly we should and shouldn't do before marriage besides not having sex? i'd like to have more than just my moral guide lines really. I've been told not to portake in foreplay, but, couldn't that be anything? How do you distinguish the difference between the "right and wrong" things or what foreplay is or isnt? another question,foreplay could be said to be what you make it, like what personally leads one person to actually having sex...if this is true and it is what you make it,couldn't people say that they can do everything but sex and still not be portaking in foreplay?

* hope my question wasn't offensive.. just wondering

As far as definitions go, you're right. Foreplay is sexual stimulation which precedes intercourse. So if there's no intercourse, whatever happens isn't foreplay. Call it "petting" or whatever you like, but it's not actually foreplay. But I think in the other thread to which you refer, "foreplay" is used to mean "petting" which does not actually lead to intercourse.

Of course, "foreplay" isn't in the bible, so saying "I'm not having foreplay!" because sex never results doesn't get you off the hook. But neither is anything else (in terms of definitions of just what is and isn't allowed) in the bible (apart from the obvious "fornication"). I think most christians would say that if it leads you to have sex, or leads you to be tempted to do so, then it's probably best to stay away from it.

Of course, you don't want to hear this heathen atheist's opinion.

 

[seebs]

Given that the Bible doesn't even explicitly condemn premarital intercourse, no, there's really nothing at all on how far you should or shouldn't go.

 

[Jodi_99]

to the bellman

hey, thanks for your insight. just because you are an athiest i wouldn't consider you a heathen.. you need Christ just as much as me.. we're equal.. please continue to answer any questions i ever have.. i appreciate you taking the time.

 

[Jodi_99]

Given that the Bible doesn't even explicitly condemn premarital intercourse, no, there's really nothing at all on how far you should or shouldn't go.

...theres really absolutly nothing?

 

[artofwar]

Given that the Bible doesn't even explicitly condemn premarital intercourse, no, there's really nothing at all on how far you should or shouldn't go.

it doesnt? interesting. so what is fornication then?

 

[artofwar]

Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other

 

[CZzyzx41]

I agree with Bellman's post and no bellman I agree with Jodi that just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you are a heathen or even that you have no morals because that's just not the case. Whether we agree or not on a subject I do appreciate hearing your insight as well as anyone else's. That's why we're here. To discuss and perhaps be enlightened.

 

[The Bellman]

Given that the Bible doesn't even explicitly condemn premarital intercourse, no, there's really nothing at all on how far you should or shouldn't go.

I think most christians would disagree here, citing references to "fornication".

 

[The Bellman]

to the bellman

hey, thanks for your insight. just because you are an athiest i wouldn't consider you a heathen.. you need Christ just as much as me.. we're equal.. please continue to answer any questions i ever have.. i appreciate you taking the time.

Well...I appreciate the sentiment, so thank you...but, of course, being an atheist, I don't believe I (or anyone else) need Christ, or any other god anyone can come up with.

 

[Jodi_99]

Well...I appreciate the sentiment, so thank you...but, of course, being an atheist, I don't believe I (or anyone else) need Christ, or any other god anyone can come up with.

i appreciate that you feel strongly about what you beleive, atleast your not in the middle. We dont agree obviously but would you be intersted in telling me why you think that you dont need God? no offense intended be assured.. i just like to know why people think what they do

 

[The Bellman]

i appreciate that you feel strongly about what you beleive, atleast your not in the middle. We dont agree obviously but would you be intersted in telling me why you think that you dont need God? no offense intended be assured.. i just like to know why people think what they do

Simply, because I see no evidence one exists. For example, I see no more evidence for Yahweh or Jesus (as a god, not as a man who lived around Jerusalem 2K years ago) than I do for Zeus - and that is zero.

Apart from that...assuming I DID see evidence that Yahweh/Jesus existed, I would not see any evidence that I "need" him, since I find the christian myth of his behaviour absurd.

 

[Jodi_99]

Simply, because I see no evidence one exists. For example, I see no more evidence for Yahweh or Jesus (as a god, not as a man who lived around Jerusalem 2K years ago) than I do for Zeus - and that is zero.

Apart from that...assuming I DID see evidence that Yahweh/Jesus existed, I would not see any evidence that I "need" him, since I find the christian myth of his behaviour absurd.

so your the kinda person who has to see it to beleive it?

 

[The Bellman]

so your the kinda person who has to see it to beleive it?

No, I'm the kind of person who requires evidence to believe in something. I think that that is simply being rational.

 

[Jodi_99]

hmm.. okay.. thanks

 

[The Bellman]

hmm.. okay.. thanks

Not to mention that even if I DID believe in the Christian god, I woudln't worship him, because I find the entire thing absurd.