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[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Why I'm anti-RCC and instead should find things we have in common


Can two walk together unless they be agreed (Amos 3:3)


How can I ever agree with the RCC when they teach a totally different salvation than what I believe (Eph 2:8)
Gods grace Plus our Faith and we are SAVED

Repeatedly the bible says those who believe on His name shall be saved.
And believing on him is having Faith in Him and Him alone!


Bottom line is the RCC salvation is Not in the word of God but Eph 2:8 IS!


I simply cannot be silent and allow anyone who wants to find eternal life through Jesus Christ alone to be mislead by the RCC into a non-bible taught salvation! Also the fact that the RCC teaches believers of Eph2:8 Outside the church have no salvation..... Damned to Hell forever


I cannot help that those who are of the catholic faith get upset, I also cannot help that the rcc got you to believe that being Saved isn't all it's cracked up to be....

I cannot help that you also believe in purgatory which again Denys Eph2:8

even though God says: it is appointed unto men Once to Die - after this comes judgement!
Heb 9:27

 

[Forever trying]

Oh you poor dude, you dont' upset me at all, as you just seem to be doing lunatic, non-sensical raves. If it's not RCC, it's Muslims, and if anyone dare disagrees with you (even if they're clearly non-Catholic) they must be secret Catholics too, etc, etc. And if you look at your other post, hardly anyone of ANY denomination is taking you seriously either. Just take a break, calm down, and come back when you want to be play nice and be friends with people.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

The rcc teaches all Christians outside her have no salvation

calling eph 2:8 a lie

sorry but you defend the rcc while I choose Eph 2:8

yes I'm the bad guy.... Don't care who takes me as what

most the world rejects Jesus and you clearly deny Christ alone


And I'm the bad guy - so be it


The bible teaches one and only one salvation Eph 2:8
Islam clearly has no salvation according to scripture my god they deny Christ and your like come back and play nice.....


Too many Christians play nice and never hurt anyone feelings and never tell anyone your salvation according to the word of God isn't correct.... The one world universal church is calling and you'll be in the front row

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Why I'm anti-RCC and instead should find things we have in common


Can two walk together unless they be agreed (Amos 3:3)


How can I ever agree with the RCC when they teach a totally different salvation than what I believe (Eph 2:8)
Gods grace Plus our Faith and we are SAVED

Repeatedly the bible says those who believe on His name shall be saved.
And believing on him is having Faith in Him and Him alone!


Bottom line is the RCC salvation is Not in the word of God but Eph 2:8 IS!


I simply cannot be silent and allow anyone who wants to find eternal life through Jesus Christ alone to be mislead by the RCC into a non-bible taught salvation! Also the fact that the RCC teaches believers of Eph2:8 Outside the church have no salvation..... Damned to Hell forever


I cannot help that those who are of the catholic faith get upset, I also cannot help that the rcc got you to believe that being Saved isn't all it's cracked up to be....

I cannot help that you also believe in purgatory which again Denys Eph2:8

even though God says: it is appointed unto men Once to Die - after this comes judgement!
Heb 9:27

With your hate mongering, you have set yourself outside of any kind of fellowship with about 99% of all Christians, world wide.

 

[Dylan Michael]

Don't worry, I credit threads like this for saving my faith.
So, every post you make, I only grow in my faith.

Oh, and the oft paraphrased quote of Abp. Fulton Sheen:
'Few people in America hate the Catholic religion,
but there are many who hate
what they mistakenly believe is the Catholic religion
—and if what they hate really were the Catholic religion,
Catholics would hate it too.'

 

[Dunban]

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Forever trying]

I actually think Knowledge Bomb is quite funny with some of these... The poor fella!

 

[Fullness Found]

Dear knowledgebomb,

I understand your frustration, because I once felt the same as you before I read the catechism of the catholic church and studied the teaching of the early church fathers. You seem very fixated on Ephesians 2:8-9. You seem to think that this contradicts the Catholic view of salvation. This suggests that you have yet to learn the nuances of the real Catholic teaching on salvation. The Council of Trent was perfectly clear:

[FONT=arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif]"[N]one of those things which precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification; for if it is by grace, it is not now by works; otherwise, as the Apostle [Paul] says, grace is no more grace" (Decree on Justification 8, citing Rom. 11:6).

The catholic view DOES NOT contradict St. Paul's view, which was most often expressed to explain how it is that Gentiles can become God's people (initial justification).

Neither does the Catholic view contradict James, who writes to believers and stresses the necessity of a living faith that works through love (ongoing justification).

Both our initial and ongoing justification are entirely dependent on 'abiding in Christ,' and apart from his grace 'we could do nothing.'
[/FONT]

I hope to address purgatory/prayer for the dead in another post...

 

[Albion]

Dear knowledgebomb,

I understand your frustration, because I once felt the same as you before I read the catechism of the catholic church and studied the teaching of the early church fathers. You seem very fixated on Ephesians 2:8-9. You seem to think that this contradicts the Catholic view of salvation. This suggests that you have yet to learn the nuances of the real Catholic teaching on salvation. The Council of Trent was perfectly clear

Why would it refute the POV held by KnowledgeBomb (or anyone else) to admit that one's denomination had "nuanced" the teaching of Scripture...and then offer as evidence a declaration made by a council of that denomination?

 

[Fullness Found]

Why would it refute the POV held by KnowledgeBomb (or anyone else) to admit that one's denomination had "nuanced" the teaching of Scripture...and then offer as evidence a declaration made by a council of that denomination?

Not sure where you are going with this... His understanding of scripture makes him believe that scripture contradicts catholic teaching. To show him that he misunderstands catholic teaching, I quoted an ecumenical council that is a legitimate source of Catholic teaching.

As far as nuances, they are a sign of sophistication and depth, not false teaching. It means one is looking at the issue from all angles, something that must be done to express the fullness of truth.

Oh, and by the way; I am here for a mutually-educational conversation among people who strive to follow Christ, not a formal academic debate in which everything one says must be a convincing 'refutation' of the other's POV.

+May the peace of Christ be with you+

 

[Albion]

Not sure where you are going with this... His understanding of scripture makes him believe that scripture contradicts catholic teaching. To show him that he misunderstands catholic teaching, I quoted an ecumenical council that is a legitimate source of Catholic teaching.

Actually, I wasn't going anywhere. It was just an observation. However, my point was that you probably wanted to counter his argument. If so, wasn't he saying that the RCC is wrong ("...scripture contradicts catholic teaching"), not "What does the Catholic Church teach?"

As far as nuances, they are a sign of sophistication and depth, not false teaching.

Well, that's what anyone who changes the meaning would say.

Oh, and by the way; I am here for a mutually-educational conversation among people who strive to follow Christ, not a formal academic debate in which everything one says must be a convincing 'refutation' of the other's POV.

which is exactly the spirit in which I made my own comment(s).

 

[Fullness Found]

wasn't he saying that the RCC is wrong ("...scripture contradicts catholic teaching"), not "What does the Catholic Church teach?"

In order to assert that 'scripture contradicts catholic teaching,' one must first understand catholic teaching, hence I provided an example from the Council of Trent that clarifies an all too common misunderstanding about Catholic teaching on justification. hopefully, this was beneficial to to the original poster and a fruitful discussion can continue.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

In order to assert that 'scripture contradicts catholic teaching,' one must first understand catholic teaching, hence I provided an example from the Council of Trent that clarifies an all too common misunderstanding about Catholic teaching on justification. hopefully, this was beneficial to to the original poster and a fruitful discussion can continue.

Welcome to CF. Some here, no matter what evidence is presented, are so manifestly rooted in error, hatred and denial that if they even read such evidence (which in my experience is most unlikely), it's meaning remains incomprehensible because their minds are so closed.

Don't be discouraged, there are those of us who do listen, enjoy more than a one sided discussion, and realize that we might just have a whole lot more to learn than we have to teach when it comes to God's will.

 

[Fullness Found]

Welcome to CF. Some here, no matter what evidence is presented, are so manifestly rooted in error, hatred and denial that if they even read such evidence (which in my experience is most unlikely), it's meaning remains incomprehensible because their minds are so closed.

Don't be discouraged, there are those of us who do listen, enjoy more than a one sided discussion, and realize that we might just have a whole lot more to learn than we have to teach when it comes to God's will.

Thank you for your encouraging and edifying response! I only hope to maintain the same humble attitude in my own posts. You seem like someone whom I would like to bellow out 'this is the feast' alongside of to honor my good ole' Lutheran days!

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Thank you for your encouraging and edifying response! I only hope to maintain the same humble attitude in my own posts. You seem like someone whom I would like to bellow out 'this is the feast' alongside of to honor my good ole' Lutheran days!