A Question Rgarding Embedded Age

[justlookinla]

It is called evolution. Creationism means creation through supernatural means. Please rewrite your post with the correct word usage.

The word usage is correct in pointing out the view that from a single life form of long long ago humanity was created. Darwinist creationism claims that humanity was created by non-supernatural mechanisms, in contrast to the creationist view that humanity was created by supernatural mechanisms.

That is a flat out lie. You are twisting the meaning of creationism to mean evolution when creationism is DEFINED as the opposite of evolution.

Depends if you're talking about micro or creationist evolution.

The most interesting thing is how many lies you have to hide behind in order to protect your religious beliefs.

Pointing out the Darwinist creationist viewpoint isn't protecting my religious beliefs. They stand without Darwinist creationism.

 

[Loudmouth]

The word usage is correct . . .

cre·a·tion·ism noun \-shə-ˌni-zəm\
: the belief that God created all things out of nothing as described in the Bible and that therefore the theory of evolution is incorrect
Creationism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Kylie]

Ok, back.

Wish I hadn't read some of the stuff on flatworm behavior, while at the same time is was entertaining. Good for a chuckle or two.

This is the evidence that flatworms having sex are our ancestors???

"The flatworms, known in scientific literature as Platyhelminthes or Plathelminthes (from the Greek πλατύ, platy, meaning "flat" and ἕλμινς (root: ἑλμινθ-), helminth-, meaning worm) are a phylum of relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals. Unlike other bilaterians, they have no body cavity, and no specialized circulatory and respiratory organs, which restricts them to flattened shapes that allow oxygen and nutrients to pass through their bodies by diffusion."
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I just don't have enough faith to embrace the flatworm creationist view.

Actually, as I tried to make it clear, modern humans and modern flatworms have a common ancestor. There was an ancestral species that split, one group eventually (after many further splits) becoming modern flatworms, and another group eventually becoming modern humans.

He doesn't like it because it's icky, apparently.

 

[Kylie]

Just going to put this out there for those who might not understand what we mean by stating flatworms are our oldest living ancestor, but no one thinks a flat worm gave birth to a human. Just to clarify.

Wouldn't surprise me if there are a few creationists who think that this is required for evolution...

 

[PsychoSarah]

Actually, as I tried to make it clear, modern humans and modern flatworms have a common ancestor. There was an ancestral species that split, one group eventually (after many further splits) becoming modern flatworms, and another group eventually becoming modern humans.

He doesn't like it because it's icky, apparently.

Since when do we have to like the truth for it to be plausible, I have to ask. It isn't like I don't find flatworms gross, they are, but lots of biology stuff is gross. The idea that most of my body is actually bacteria cells rather than human cells... *shudders*

 

[Kylie]

As some have said, science isn't interested in the truth. Do you agree?

Stick with your faith-based evidence of 'could be's, maybe so's, and probably's if you wish. Just don't expect me to follow it.

Why do you make it sound like this is some idea a bunch of scientists came up with while drunk after a night at the pub?

because it's based on a great deal of examination, experimentation and observation and fits the known facts very well.

 

[bhsmte]

cre·a·tion·ism noun \-shə-ˌni-zəm\
: the belief that God created all things out of nothing as described in the Bible and that therefore the theory of evolution is incorrect
Creationism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If the definition doesn't work for you, just rewrite it.

Some can manufacture their own facts and evidence, why not definitions?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If the definition doesn't work for you, just rewrite it.

Some can manufacture their own facts and evidence, why not definitions?

I forget who it was, but someone in the Philosophy area tried to say that omnipotent doesn't mean "literally can do anything" when applied to god. As if omnipotent ever means something else

 

[justlookinla]

Why do you make it sound like this is some idea a bunch of scientists came up with while drunk after a night at the pub?

because it's based on a great deal of examination, experimentation and observation and fits the known facts very well.

Apparently you missed an earlier post of mine responding to the guesses an suppositions concerning the flatworm, so I'll repost it. The typical phrases were used by the scientests who came up with the guesses.....

"It may well be"

"This may mean"

"based on the assumption"

"using a software program to create an evolutionary road map that showed the most likely relationships among the organisms"

"researchers don't know yet the details of when or how this other change occurred"

"may be"

This folks is a perfect example of the subjective 'evidence' of those who embrace Darwinist creationism. The maybes, could be's and might have beens aren't evidence, but simply the faith based beliefs of those who believe humans are the result of a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanism acting upon these life forms who are "simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals. Unlike other bilaterians, they have no body cavity, and no specialized circulatory and respiratory organs, which restricts them to flattened shapes that allow oxygen and nutrients to pass through their bodies by diffusion."

 

[bhsmte]

I forget who it was, but someone in the Philosophy area tried to say that omnipotent doesn't mean "literally can do anything" when applied to god. As if omnipotent ever means something else

This is what you have to look at. Does someone go into something with a preconceived notion they are trying to protect, or are they looking at the facts objectively.

Lots and lots of protection of preconceived notions goes on at CF.

 

[lifepsyop]

Why do you make it sound like this is some idea a bunch of scientists came up with while drunk after a night at the pub?

because it's based on a great deal of examination, experimentation and observation and fits the known facts very well.

Evolution is one of the oldest religions in the world. The latest version of evolutionary dogma was cooked up in masonic lodges by Erasmus Darwin and his buddies, so yea, may as well have been thought up drunk at a pub. And all of this was just a rehash of the evolutionary mysticism promoted by the ancient greeks.

You're absolutely lost if you think Evolution's roots are scientific.

Erasmus Darwin - Temple of Nature 1803

Ere Time began, from flaming Chaos hurl'd
Rose the bright spheres, which form the circling world;
Earths from each sun with quick explosions burst,
And second planets issued from the first.
Then, whilst the sea at their coeval birth,
Surge over surge, involv'd the shoreless earth;
Nurs'd by warm sun-beams in primeval caves
Organic Life began beneath the waves.

Organic Life beneath the shoreless waves
Was born and nurs'd in Ocean's pearly caves;
First forms minute, unseen by spheric glass,
Move on the mud, or pierce the watery mass;
These, as successive generations bloom,
New powers acquire, and larger limbs assume;
Whence countless groups of vegetation spring,
And breathing realms of fin, and feet, and wing.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Evolution is one of the oldest religions in the world. The latest version of evolutionary dogma was cooked up in masonic lodges by Erasmus Darwin and his buddies, so yea, may as well have been thought up drunk at a pub. And all of this was just a rehash of the evolutionary mysticism promoted by the ancient greeks.

You're absolutely lost if you think Evolution's roots are scientific.

Erasmus Darwin - Temple of Nature 1803

Ere Time began, from flaming Chaos hurl'd
Rose the bright spheres, which form the circling world;
Earths from each sun with quick explosions burst,
And second planets issued from the first.
Then, whilst the sea at their coeval birth,
Surge over surge, involv'd the shoreless earth;
Nurs'd by warm sun-beams in primeval caves
Organic Life began beneath the waves.

Organic Life beneath the shoreless waves
Was born and nurs'd in Ocean's pearly caves;
First forms minute, unseen by spheric glass,
Move on the mud, or pierce the watery mass;
These, as successive generations bloom,
New powers acquire, and larger limbs assume;
Whence countless groups of vegetation spring,
And breathing realms of fin, and feet, and wing.

OOOooo, the Masons are involved. Surely the Illuminati are not far removed from this vast conspiracy involving the entire scientific community. I wonder if heart medication is also affected such that they can selectively stop it from working for particular people...maybe all Christians are in danger from this.

 

[bhsmte]

OOOooo, the Masons are involved. Surely the Illuminati are not far removed from this vast conspiracy involving the entire scientific community. I wonder if heart medication is also affected such that they can selectively stop it from working for particular people...maybe all Christians are in danger from this.

Some folks seem to need an enemy. If necessary, they will manufacture one to fill the need.

 

[justlookinla]

Some folks seem to need an enemy. If necessary, they will manufacture one to fill the need.

One of the greatest enemies to humanity is the enemy of Darwinist creationism.

 

[PsychoSarah]

One of the greatest enemies to humanity is the enemy of Darwinist creationism.

I'd say ignorance and stubbornness do far worse

 

[bhsmte]

One of the greatest enemies to humanity is the enemy of Darwinist creationism.

You are free to label who you wish an enemy just. Others can agree or disagree.

Quite a trick though, to have enemies of something that doesn't exist.

 

[justlookinla]

You are free to label who you wish an enemy just. Others can agree or disagree.

Quite a trick though, to have enemies of something that doesn't exist.

Oh, it very much exists and is what's being taught to our children in schools today.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Oh, it very much exists and is what's being taught to our children in schools today.

Oh, it is very much, for the 5th time, optional even in secular public schools. Not your job to dictate what the children of other people learn.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh, it very much exists and is what's being taught to our children in schools today.

I love drama.

 

[justlookinla]

I love drama.

I hate lies.