A Question Rgarding Embedded Age

[Phred]

Thanks for admitting what you believe.

Oh no sir. That isn't what I believe. It's what I accept. The evidence is before me and I accept it. You are the believer. You are the one taking things on faith. I am the one admitting that my existence here relies upon my ancestors all having had offspring. It's a tautology. If your parents didn't have any children odds are you won't either.

Kids..run for your life! Seek help. False. We were created and evolved some also because God gave us the ability. Gross darkness. Evolution just means that God made us able to evolve as needed, especially in the past when it was fast. None of your whacked out man from animal sex nonsense involved.

You do know that no parents ever gave birth to a child they didn't recognize, right? I think you're running around projecting chimps giving birth to little humans. That isn't what happens at all. The progress is painfully slow and incremental. We see it in chunks because we have a fossil here and one there. It's as if you had a bread pan that started square on one end and ended round on the other. Then you sliced the bread. The shapes of the slices would each be a progression from square to round. Now, take that pan and stretch it to a million miles long. Slice the bread. You have billions of slices. You know the end state, that equates to us. A round slice. Now pick fourteen other slices out of billions. Those are the fossils we've found of your ancestors. You are the result of every one of those slices giving birth to the next slice. Parents having sex and then having offspring. And every offspring might be just a tiny bit different than its parents.

When does it stop being a square? When does it start being a circle?

When does it stop being an animal? When does it start being a man?

Unhogtie is more accurate. Set us free from the lies of Satan, and anti creation religious hooey.

You do it to yourself. There is no Satan. Nobody is lying to us. There's no great evil force in this universe that is the Anti-god. You are the one spreading the hooey. Your falsehoods and claims are what make you look foolish.

God breathed His life into us, and long after the chemicals return to the dust, we will still be alive and well, and happy.

There's that hooey. There's no evidence whatsoever of a "soul" existing.

You can sit in a corner and contemplate yourself all day pal, and dream of all the beasts you like while doing it, that doesn't make us an animal.

I'm not your pal. The fact that humanity can look at itself and is aware of itself is not something to dismiss so lightly. And it's not bestiality. Although I know you're dying to equate the two. We are animals. We are the same materials, the same functioning organs, the same everything. The only difference is that we are aware of what we are. I doubt a chicken is. We are animals in every sense of the word. Nothing you say can change that.

Kids, disrespect evolution and education and science when they get weird like this. They want to molest your spirit and brain.

Yeah, good idea. Science has taken us further in the last 200 years than religion did in the previous 10,000. But you want kids to disrespect it. Go back to living in huts with dirt floors where the local priest is the only one who can read and disease is something sent by the devil because you touched yourself. Sounds wonderful. Where do you sign up?

 

[EternalDragon]

The obvious sarcasm in the quote aside, what was wrong with it?

Life IS one continous chain. And it's marvelous by itself.

Just think about it....

Life has been here for at least 3.6 billion years.
In context of evolution, this means that your lineage goes back at least 3.6 billion years.

Think about it... not ONE of your long, long, LOOOONG line of ancestors died before achieving breeding age and actually breeding.

Your genes are the result of 3.6 billion years of survival and reproduction. NOT A SINGLE ONE of your ancestors died before succeeding to reproduce. If that doesn't make you pause and wonder in awe at that extremely poetic fact, I don't know what will.

If you wish to argue from emotion, I'ld say that that wins hands down. That is a lot more marvelous (even tempted to say miraculous) as opposed to the silly notion that some god said "be" and there we were.

There's lots of incredible beauty in the natural world. A lot more then your philosophy could ever dream up.

Except none of that is true. But I will agree it is a marvelous tale of yarn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except none of that is true. But I will agree it is a marvelous tale of yarn.

And why do you claim that?

It is the only "tale" that has any scientific evidence. Your tales have no supporting evidence. Your side fails at that in an epic manner. If you want to claim that something is not true you need evidence that supports your claims.

 

[dad]

Oh no sir. That isn't what I believe. It's what I accept.

Thanks for admitting you accept that belief then!

The evidence is before me and I accept it.

The evidence is before you and you molest it with your whacked out godless same state past beliefs!

You are the believer. You are the one taking things on faith.

Right, like you saw the worms having sex that you claim resulted in mankind!!? You have religion. It is high time you admitted it.

I am the one admitting that my existence here relies upon my ancestors all having had offspring.

In case any lurkers missed it, this guy listed half a zoo full of animals that he really believes had sex long ago and that is why he is here!!

It's a tautology. If your parents didn't have any children odds are you won't either.

Duh...that has what to do with your all animals came to exist because worms had sex claim??

You do know that no parents ever gave birth to a child they didn't recognize, right? I think you're running around projecting chimps giving birth to little humans. That isn't what happens at all. The progress is painfully slow and incremental.

In fact it is imaginary and never has been observed!

We see it in chunks because we have a fossil here and one there. It's as if you had a bread pan that started square on one end and ended round on the other. Then you sliced the bread. The shapes of the slices would each be a progression from square to round.

Hey if most of the bread in the neighborhood was whole wheat and not in your little pan, we would balk at you claiming your little white sliced bread represents all bread and cake, and meat, and beer on earth! Just like I wince at your profession of faith that real worms had sex and you really resulted eventually!!

Now, take that pan and stretch it to a million miles long. Slice the bread. You have billions of slices.

No one ever did that or seen that done. Your imaginarium sounds more like a vision from a sanitarium.

You know the end state, that equates to us.

Not going to let you wiggle that one in, because let's remember that you are talking about imaginary bread slices linking us to horny worms. No. I have to draw the line somewhere, and you crossed it.

A round slice. Now pick fourteen other slices out of billions. Those are the fossils we've found of your ancestors.

My ancestors went back to dust apparently too fast to end up as fossils. Frome dust we were created and we used to return TO dust rather than fossilze, as best I can tell from the evidence. If you stopped trying to foist your same state past on us you might realize that.

You are the result of every one of those slices giving birth to the next slice.

I am not a chip of the ol flatworm block. I don't care how much baking you do.

Parents having sex and then having offspring. And every offspring might be just a tiny bit different than its parents.

So? Seth was not the same as Adam. Marilyn Monroe was not the same as Eve...etc. That does not mean we are worm spawn. How degrading.

When does it stop being a square? When does it start being a circle?

When does it stop being an animal? When does it start being a man?

That depends if we are talking about in your dreams.

You do it to yourself. There is no Satan.

Like you would know?? Fess up you have no clue about whether spirits live or not. You can't simply make a declaration there are no spirits. I have to tell you this??

Nobody is lying to us.

Where you been??

There's no great evil force in this universe that is the Anti-god.

Ha. Guess you really know all that goers on in the universe.

There's that hooey. There's no evidence whatsoever of a "soul" existing.

What sort of evidence did you think there should be? When I see Jesus risen from the dead as declared by actual witnesses who died to confirm their testimony, I have to say it involved more than flesh.

I'm not your pal.

Does this mean it's over??

The fact that humanity can look at itself and is aware of itself is not something to dismiss so lightly.

Right, we can do that in a mirror or a stream. The question is what you think you see. You think you see worm spawn. Another might look and see something more.

And it's not bestiality. Although I know you're dying to equate the two. We are animals. We are the same materials, the same functioning organs, the same everything. The only difference is that we are aware of what we are. I doubt a chicken is. We are animals in every sense of the word. Nothing you say can change that.

I am not an animal, I am a created being endowed with life from the hand of the creator, with an eternal destiny and love and laughter and fun everafter. Just because we have eyes, and a lobster has eyes, that does not mean we are equal or the same.

Yeah, good idea. Science has taken us further in the last 200 years than religion did in the previous 10,000.

Further down the road to perdition. Faster too.

But you want kids to disrespect it. Go back to living in huts with dirt floors where the local priest is the only one who can read and disease is something sent by the devil because you touched yourself. Sounds wonderful. Where do you sign up?

Yes, kids should disrespect godless religion and fanatical worm spawn doctrines.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Except none of that is true. But I will agree it is a marvelous tale of yarn.

You can call it what you like.

Meanwhile, it's the only "tale" that explains all the evidence and has passed every single test for the past 150, ever since Darwin introduced the idea.

There is no atlernative "tale". It's the most supported "tale" in all of science.

You burrying your head in the sand to the natural sciences of biology, bio-chemistry, paleontology, genetics, molecular biology, evolutionary biology, evolutionary psychology, etc etc etc etc will not change that. Not even slightly. Not at all, actually.

The only thing you accomplish is willfull ignorance.

 

[DogmaHunter]

...snipped rather disturbing stupidty and insults...

Dad, you are one piece of work dude.

In fact, I wonder if any work at all would suffice in bringing you back down from the clouds to this place we call "reality". I fear it's a lost cause though.

 

[EternalDragon]

And why do you claim that?

It is the only "tale" that has any scientific evidence. Your tales have no supporting evidence. Your side fails at that in an epic manner. If you want to claim that something is not true you need evidence that supports your claims.

I am surprised you say that when the evidence is all around us and in the sciences. We all have the same evidence! "Your side" doesn't even have an answer to where everything came from. They have hypothesis and assumptions about the world.

Plus the fact that Christianity has eyewitness, historical accounts as well.

I'll give you one evidence. The fact that everything has working genetic machinery and similarities is evidence for ID theory and/or Creationism as stated in the bible.

 

[Dizredux]

s well.

I'll give you one evidence. The fact that everything has working genetic machinery and similarities is evidence for ID theory and/or Creationism as stated in the bible.

You state that but convincing evidence is needed to get others to agree. That hasn't been provided and there is where the problem lies.

Dizredux

 

[Delphiki]

I'll give you one evidence. The fact that everything has working genetic machinery and similarities is evidence for ID theory and/or Creationism as stated in the bible.

How is a completely natural chemical and biological process evidence for anything supernatural or mythological? There's no logical or coherent connection between the evidence and what you think it shows.

I can say blue skies are evidence that unicorns fart rainbows, but it doesn't mean anything.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'll give you one evidence. The fact that everything has working genetic machinery and similarities is evidence for ID theory and/or Creationism as stated in the bible.

Why? Couldn't God have made separate species with completely different genetic systems?

Why would sharing genetic machinery and features between separtely created species produce a nested hierarchy? Why couldn't you share features from birds and mammals in one species and birds and dinosaurs in another?

 

[RickG]

AV has an idea regarding embedded age, which he uses to explain how the Earth can be billions of years old while only having existed for 6000 years. Apparently it involves age being something that can be put into an object, somehow.

Now, I have a question about how all this works.

Firstly, AV has said that the embedding of age into the universe happened in creation week.

Secondly, AV has said that fossils came AFTER creation week.

However, that means that age could not have been embedded into fossils because they came about after the process of age embedding had finished.

My question is this: if age has not been embedded into fossils (as per the two points above), why do they date to be much older than 6000 years?

Because "embedded age" is a fabricated idea that takes a non literal approach to the Genesis creation in order to make it literal.

 

[dad]

Dad, you are one piece of work dude.

In fact, I wonder if any work at all would suffice in bringing you back down from the clouds to this place we call "reality". I fear it's a lost cause though.

Sorry you think Phred's zoo sex caused mankind to exist. No saved or sane person will come to that supposed reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sorry you think Phred's zoo sex caused mankind to exist. No saved or sane person will come to that supposed reality.

Do you deny you are the product of sex between two living creatures?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you deny you are the product of sex between two living creatures?

I may be wrong, but I believe that dad thinks sex is icky.

He is a stork man.

 

[dad]

Do you deny you are the product of sex between two living creatures?

Two human beings, not some worms.

 

[dad]

I may be wrong, but I believe that dad thinks sex is icky.

He is a stork man.

No. Sex is a gift of God. No more icky than food.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. Sex is a gift of God. No more icky than food.

I guess I conflated you with AV.

I know one of you two reacts negatively to sex.

 

[Kylie]

No. Sex is a gift of God. No more icky than food.

lol, I'd beg to differ. Have you ever seen a three year old throw up her dinner in the car?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Two human beings, not some worms.

No one is saying your parents are flat worms. Your grandparents to the many thousandth (perhaps in the millions) power were.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I guess I conflated you with AV.

I know one of you two reacts negatively to sex.

AV is the one who can't stand the mention of sex