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You are stating the fact in a very distorted manner, but yes, we had ancestors that would look very much like the flat worms of today.
Forget facts, we are merely trying to get you to admit beliefs!

Why do you have a problem with that? You do realize that at one point in your life you did not look terribly different from a flatworm, don't you?
Looks can be deceiving. Name one worm God breathed life into?
And yes, we know that there was no flood. Five miles of water would have left massive evidence.

Cut the canards. Mountain building likely came later.
There is no evidence that points to a large flood.

I disagree. I accept the many stories of floods around the world as evidence, as well as the bible. I find the population numbers highly consistent as well. Everything points to a flood.
 
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Well, yet another misleading and dishonest statement about Christians accepting evolution. Since folks keep making this common less than honest claim, it's time once again to post the truth. There are two forms of evolution, not one, and it's dishonest and intentionally misleading for those to continue to reference evolution as if it's a monolithic view of the creation of the variety and complexity of life we observe today.

The truth is that no Christian holds to the view that all life we observe today is completely and totally the result of natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, i.e., Darwinist creationism. If you can actually give evidence for your claim, please do. Just to let you know though, those who have tried have failed miserably.
 
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Well if you want to get technical there are all sorts of beliefs about evolution. If someone wants to pretend that a magic skyfather had some hand in the formation of people it does not bother me. You could be a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or countless other religions.

What bothers me is when various religious zealots treat their holy book as a be all and end all. If you accept common descent, which most Christians do and know that Genesis as a whole is a book of myth I have no real problem with you.

So what do you believe and why justlookla? Do you believe the various stories of Genesis or not?

Most Christians accept the theory of evolution and common descent. Some of them want God's hand in it, though they can give no evidence of this. That means a scientist will treat that hand as if it does not exist. I can explain this to you too, and you don't even had to learn your evidence lesson for that one.
 
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Forget facts, we are merely trying to get you to admit beliefs!

Yes dad, I can see how facts can be very bothersome for you.


Looks can be deceiving. Name one worm God breathed life into?

Who is this "God" creature. Actually we know that God, as you picture him, did not "breath life" into anything.

Cut the canards. Mountain building likely came later.

Unlike you I do not need to lie. The facts are on my side. Oh wait, you don't like facts.

I disagree. I accept the many stories of floods around the world as evidence, as well as the bible. I find the population numbers highly consistent as well. Everything points to a flood.

Nope, most people live along water sources like rivers. Rivers and other water sources tend to flood. Stories grow with the telling so the story of a gigantic flood is to be expected.

The population argument is extremely foolish. A person worked backwards and incorrectly assumed a constant population growth rate. Second it allows for only about 100 people to make the pyramids and that would have to be the population of almost the whole world. The population argument is one of the most foolish ones that creationists have ever come up with.


Nothing points to a flood. At least nothing of substance.
 
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First, I couldn't care less if you have a problem with me or not, I'm not here to win a popularity contest.

You're typical in attempting to change the focus from the question of the creation impetus for all life we observe today to one of common descent. Those are two completely different issues.

So what do you believe and why justlookla? Do you believe the various stories of Genesis or not?

I believe that God created all of creation, including the universe and life. I believe that the various stories of Genesis are without error and any view that there is error is simply the result of carnal minds attempting to interpret and understand spiritual truths.

Most Christians accept the theory of evolution and common descent.

There you go again. So here I go again. No Christian accepts the Darwinist creationist view that the variety and complexity of life we observe today is completely ,totally, only, solely by naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

Some of them want God's hand in it, though they can give no evidence of this.

Not some of them, all of them view God's hand in the creation process in one form or another.

That means a scientist will treat that hand as if it does not exist. I can explain this to you too, and you don't even had to learn your evidence lesson for that one.

That means that Darwinist creationism, i.e., the view that all of life we observe today is totally by naturalistic mechanisms, is an inherently atheistic creationist view. Darwinist creationism discards, denies, disallows, dismisses and rejects all views other than the entirely naturalistic view of creation of life (not abiogenesis).
 
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Perhaps justloookin needs a clarification. Pointing out to a dishonest person how he has been dishonest is not an "attack on his honesty". If anyone attacked that person's honesty that was done by the person in question himself.

You should have complained that I have questioned your honesty. I did not attack it.

And yes, you have quoted out of context. When you listed all of those phrases that you did not like they were all taken out of context.
 
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You still haven't provided that "mountain of evidence" you claim to have. You aren't. You know it, I know it.
 
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You still haven't provided that "mountain of evidence" you claim to have. You aren't. You know it, I know it.

And that is because you broke your word.

The only reason I would not provide it is if you continue to break your word.

All you have to do to test me is to finish a fairly simple lesson.

Once again here is where you agreed to learn:


http://www.christianforums.com/t7271368-17/
 
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And I found the first post I had in response to justinla. I told him he had to learn what qualifies as evidence then:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7271368-16/#post65821040

So far I have been true to my word. justinla refuses to participate in a very simple lesson and as a result I will not give him any evidence.
 
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And that is because you broke your word.

I haven't broken anything. You made an apparently false claim, you are the person who must deal with that.

The only reason I would not provide it is if you continue to break your word.

I haven't broken anything, you've failed to provide this 'mountains of evidence' for quite a while now.

All you have to do to test me is to finish a fairly simple lesson.

Once again here is where you agreed to learn:


http://www.christianforums.com/t7271368-17/

Post the conversation. Point out the issue you're having. You're simply grasping at straws in an attempt to negate your false claim. I've tested you for many posts now and you've received a failing grade for following through on a claim you made.
 
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No, you have not been true to your word. Your word said you had 'mountains of evidence'. You've apparently made a false claim.
 
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No, you have not been true to your word. Your word said you had 'mountains of evidence'. You've apparently made a false claim.

The order was clear, you figure out what you consider evidence to be, and then SZ presents the evidence he has. Not the other way around
 
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The order was clear, you figure out what you consider evidence to be, and then SZ presents the evidence he has. Not the other way around

No, not true. The claim was made that he had 'mountains of evidence', then he immediately started equivocating. The request is simple, provide the evidence. Then it's up to me to accept or reject it.

It's not going to be provided.
 
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