A question I don't think creationists will answer.

[PsychoSarah]

If creatures evolved that quickly dad, you would be able to see drastically new species within decades, as in humans would no longer be humans within 3 generations

 

[dad]

Science = darkness?

While we're name calling, your attitude is expected as one of millions of evil book worshipers.

Jesus was one also then. He told us that His words were life, and we know that by His word the universe was created! It predates the world and will outlive this present world.

I suppose I should have pointed out that so called science that pretends to overrule the Almighty when He tells us He created all things is gross darkness, not just darkness.

The bible calls science gross!


Isa 60:2 -For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Jer 13:16 -Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.

Mt 13:15 -For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[dad]

If creatures evolved that quickly dad, you would be able to see drastically new species within decades, as in humans would no longer be humans within 3 generations

Look at the Cambrian layer...see many? Remember that what we see in the fossil record is ONLY a sampling of the creatures that COULD fossilize. Humans were here from week one, and fine, thank you very much.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Look at the Cambrian layer...see many? Remember that what we see in the fossil record is ONLY a sampling of the creatures that COULD fossilize. Humans were here from week one, and fine, thank you very much.

The Cambrian explosion occurred over more than 50 million years, it wasn't short. Sure, it was relatively fast compared to a lot of observed evolutionary change in the fossil record, but it was by no means truly fast

 

[dad]

The Cambrian explosion occurred over more than 50 million years, it wasn't short.

In other words you invoke a same state past you believe in. Gong!

Sure, it was relatively fast compared to a lot of observed evolutionary change in the fossil record, but it was by no means truly fast

It was created! That is fast! Any changes IN created creatures also had to be lightning fast compared to present state evolving!

Nothing but your unprovable belief says otherwise. Nothing at all.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In other words you invoke a same state past you believe in. Gong!

It was created! That is fast! Any changes IN created creatures also had to be lightning fast compared to present state evolving!

Nothing but your unprovable belief says otherwise. Nothing at all.

Your unscriptural and unprovable, as well as useless different state past is hardly more valid, and most certainly is less. In other words, you invoke your different state past you believe in without any evidence or scriptural support.

Still waiting on a verse which directly references a different state past.

 

[dad]

Your unscriptural and unprovable, as well as useless different state past is hardly more valid, and most certainly is less.

It is validated by it's agreement..nip and tuck with God Almighty. We KNOW when man and animals were created. Got a better explanation that fits the bible?

In other words, you invoke your different state past you believe in without any evidence or scriptural support.

No. I have all evidence agreeing and God too. Your invocation of a certain state past to make your godless models of where life came from seem valid is 100% belief. No wonder it diametrically opposes God's version.

Job 38:33 -Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

 

[PsychoSarah]

It is validated by it's agreement..nip and tuck with God Almighty. We KNOW when man and animals were created. Got a better explanation that fits the bible


No. I have all evidence agreeing and God too. Your invocation of a certain state past to make your godless models of where life came from seem valid is 100% belief. No wonder it diametrically opposes God's version.

Job 38:33 -Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

It doesn't fit the bible at all, the bible supports consistency in the universe, hence why there are deists.

I can name at least 3 different explanations which better fit the bible and reality.

It wasn't intentionally meant to oppose a literal biblical interpretation you know, sorry reality and the bible don't match up, not my fault

That verse doesn't directly suggest a different state past

 

[dad]

It doesn't fit the bible at all, the bible supports consistency in the universe, hence why there are deists.

No. Says who? One star differs from another in glory. Life in heaven and Eden and the millennium are all quite different that now! Even in the flood, many things happened that exceed what could happen with our laws.

I can name at least 3 different explanations which better fit the bible and reality.

Great, so what are they? How can creation and the flood be very true 3 other ways? How did the waters get to earth and off it? How did animals speciate so fast after the flood? How could land mass and water separates fast with no heat from friction that killed life? How did man live 1000 years almost? Why is man and animals not in the fossil record if we were created the same week as other life? Etc...

It wasn't intentionally meant to oppose a literal biblical interpretation you know, sorry reality and the bible don't match up, not my fault

That sets of the alarm bells, and that is why I hold the feet of science to the fire. The result of the interrogation by fire is that they have just belief. Believers can laugh, and rejoice.

That verse doesn't directly suggest a different state past

It does suggest that earth is not on the same rules as heaven. That's a start!


Gen 10:25 -And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]for in his days was the earth divided;

"to divide, split

1. (Niphal) to be split, be divided
2. (Piel)
   1. to split, cleave"

 

[RickG]

Look at the Cambrian layer...see many?

Yup! Ten in all as recognized by the international commission on stratigraphy.

Remember that what we see in the fossil record is ONLY a sampling of the creatures that COULD fossilize.

Yup! Fossilization is indeed rare.

 

[dad]

Yup! Ten in all as recognized by the international commission on stratigraphy.

So we have fossils of ten something or others in the Cambrian as recognized by the imagination commission. OK. The point was that there are plenty of things in that layer. Better called a creation layer.

Yup! Fossilization is indeed rare.

? The issue is what could fossilize in the nature of the past. Obviously man and most animals were not among them. The stuff that could and did fossilze were not so rare.

 

[RickG]

So we have fossils of ten something or others in the Cambrian as recognized by the imagination commission. OK. The point was that there are plenty of things in that layer. Better called a creation layer.

You still don't seem to understand dad. The Cambrian Period is divided into 10 separate subdivisions based on specific events that are known to have occurred during those 56 million years.

? The issue is what could fossilize in the nature of the past. Obviously man and most animals were not among them. The stuff that could and did fossilze were not so rare.

Mother Nature has never changed.

 

[Delphiki]

Jesus was one also then. He told us that His words were life, and we know that by His word the universe was created! It predates the world and will outlive this present world.

I suppose I should have pointed out that so called science that pretends to overrule the Almighty when He tells us He created all things is gross darkness, not just darkness.

The bible calls science gross!


Isa 60:2 -For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Jer 13:16 -Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.

Mt 13:15 -For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

What's it like having to copy and paste your immoral book from other websites now that most of your pages are stuck together?

 

[dad]

You still don't seem to understand dad. The Cambrian Period is divided into 10 separate subdivisions based on specific events that are known to have occurred during those 56 million years.

I don't believe you. The Cambrian period was likely closer to hundreds of years.

Mother Nature has never changed.

There is no Mother Nature any more than Mother Goose!

 

[dad]

What's it like having to copy and paste your immoral book from other websites now that most of your pages are stuck together?

Nothing wrong with getting the bible in a form that can be seen on the net, since this is where the question was raised about how it was the words of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't believe you. The Cambrian period was likely closer to hundreds of years.

It does not matter what you believe, it matters what evidence you have. The evidence shows it to be about 56 million years long. You have heard of radiometric dating I presume.

There is no Mother Nature any more than Mother Goose!

That is just a figure of speech, you know like the the one that you believe in.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing wrong with getting the bible in a form that can be seen on the net, since this is where the question was raised about how it was the words of God.

And you failed at that. You brought up some quotes, but none of them referred to the writings of the Hebrews.

 

[dad]

It does not matter what you believe, it matters what evidence you have. The evidence shows it to be about 56 million years long. You have heard of radiometric dating I presume.

Same state past religion. Decay requires this present state. Stop pulpit pounding.

That is just a figure of speech, you know like the the one that you believe in.

Not really, it is a godless way to refer to creation.

"The earliest written and safely dated literal references to the term "Mother Earth" occur in Mycenaean Greek ma-ka (transliterated as ma-ga), "Mother Gaia", written in Linear B syllabic script (13th or 12th century BC).[1] The various myths of nature goddesses such as Inanna/Ishtar (myths and hymns attested on Mesopotamian tablets as early as the 3rd millennium BC) show that the personification of the creative and nurturing sides of Nature as female deities had deep roots.


Mother Nature (sometimes known as Mother Earth or the Earth-Mother) is a common personification of nature that focuses on the life-giving and nurturing aspects of nature by embodying it in the form of the mother. Images of women representing mother earth, and mother nature, are timeless. In prehistoric times, goddesses were worshipped for their association with fertility, fecundity, and agricultural bounty. Priestesses held dominion over aspects of Incan, Algonquian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Slavonic, Germanic, Roman, Greek, Indian, and Iroquoian religions in the millennia prior to the inception of patriarchal religions."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Nature

In other words, literally demonism.

 

[stevevw]

What's it like having to copy and paste your immoral book from other websites now that most of your pages are stuck together?

How is it immoral. I can think of a stack of books and magazines that society endorses that are immoral.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is it immoral. I can think of a stack of books and magazines that society endorses that are immoral.

That's easy. If you own a person, and you beat the person so badly that he dies three days later should you be punished? Not according to the Bible.

If you rape a young girl (for Bible fans this means virgin) and you pay the father a moderate fee and marry her should you be punished? Not according to the Bible.

That is just a start. Do you need more?