A question I don't think creationists will answer.

[stevevw]

Try explaining your God by any means you like and you will still fail because you can not explain something that began in someone else's imagination, when you have failed to explain what your God is you could make a start on the supernatural, you were told to believe something without being told exactly what it was you should believe, all they gave you was a rough idea then you had to imagine the rest for yourself, why do you think everyone's idea of God is different?

The christian God has no ambiguity at all. God sent Jesus Christ His only Son so that we could be saved and have an example to see and follow. So we can look to Jesus and see his teachings and life and follow this. When Jesus ascended into heaven He said i will send the holy spirit who will guide and teach you all the things of God. Thats the same Holy Spirit who instructed the disciples when they spoke and wrote of God in the new testament.

The Holy Spirit has all the essence of Jesus in him and can go direct to God the father and take our prayers and troubles to God. The holy Spirit can tell us the very qualities of God and show us the way in this world. So we are not alone and have definite examples and guidance in our lives. The good thing is the things that the Holy Spirit tells us and the example of Jesus is exactly the same for a Christian anywhere in the world and is exactly the same as for the Christians whether 2000 years ago or for 2000 years from now. Because Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. So its not someone elses imagination but its from God Himself who we have fellowship with because as a christian we can go right to the table of our Father God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Tellastory]

Ya have anyone in mind?


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Nope. That's somebody else's job.

 

[Tellastory]

Try explaining your God by any means you like and you will still fail because you can not explain something that began in someone else's imagination, when you have failed to explain what your God is you could make a start on the supernatural, you were told to believe something without being told exactly what it was you should believe, all they gave you was a rough idea then you had to imagine the rest for yourself, why do you think everyone's idea of God is different?

Try proving that it started in someone else's imagination before making a statement like that. All you are doing is citing an opinion. You would have to get that person and have them admit that it was from his imagination to make that a fact that you seemingly want to believe.

There is enough evidence of God's intervention in history if you look for it.

So either look or continue being a naysayers with no substance to back up their claims, because God promised that only those that seek, shall find and if you are not looking, you will never find.

Proverbs 14:6A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

That verse explains why you are not finding anything no matter how much evidence of God's intervention in history be provided for you by other people looking for you, and thus a waste of time.

 

[Dizredux]

Try explaining your God by any means you like and you will still fail because you can not explain something that began in someone else's imagination, when you have failed to explain what your God is you could make a start on the supernatural, you were told to believe something without being told exactly what it was you should believe, all they gave you was a rough idea then you had to imagine the rest for yourself, why do you think everyone's idea of God is different?

So you believe you can read minds and know from the vibrations what people are thinking and why? It is an amazing ability to have. Now you can go to wall street and tell which stocks are going to rise and which are going to fall by reading the minds of the power brokers there. You must be fabulously rich with your ability.


Dizredux

 

[stevevw]

What you are saying then is that you trust the people who told you God spoke through them, OK, only question is, Why?

Do you think Jesus would like the Christians of today? would Jesus approve?

No I am saying that the same Holy Spirit that spoke to them also speaks to me and other Christians. So its not only what they have said but it is confirmed by the holy spirit also re enforcing those same things spoken about back then. So the words they spoke were the words of the holy spirit and those words are proven by the fact that they become living proof in our lives. So when they said that we are born again and we live according to our new natures in the spirit of God that is what actually happens. So we are living what they had talked about. In fact they are the first to experience this we are just some of the many who have had this experience sinse. So they are not just the words but the words of some man but they are the words from God himself. There is no brain washing or believing in someone elses man made words this is direct from God himself.

As I said through Jesus we have a direct line to God. Our hearts and minds are open to the things of God. We are no longer controlled by the flesh but we live according to the fruits of the spirit. We have a physical, mental and spiritual side to us. If we neglect our spiritual side then this will affect our mental and physical sides. It is actually by living according to Gods will and having Jesus in your heart that you are truly living a full life. So it is actually those who reject this are the ones fooling themselves in the end. But this free gift from God is available to all. The only requirement is to believe what God has done by giving His only Son to die for our sins and save us. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life and no one can come to the Father except through Him. It is by believing this and accepting this that you can be saved and become a child of God. So I am not trusting what another person has said to me but what Jesus Himself has said. There is a big difference.

Jesus said there would be some who say I know you Lord but Jesus says He doesn't know them. In other words they may profess to believe and may even come across doing all good and looking the part but dont really know Jesus and have him in their hearts. Jesus spoke of many parables about the kingdom of heaven and how to get there. It is worth reading them. Ones like the good Samaritan which talks about helping others and not just being religious. Jesus said if you give someone water when they are thirsty and in need then you are giving Jesus water. So to me this is the true meaning of being a Christian. Loving God with all your strength and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself. So i guess how many people are willing to do this.

 

[Dizredux]

What you are saying then is that you trust the people who told you God spoke through them, OK, only question is, Why?

For myself I trust my conclusions and my faith. That is enough.

Do you think Jesus would like the Christians of today? would Jesus approve?

Some no, some very much so.

Dizredux

 

[South Bound]

You have that backwards I don't need to prove a thing, did God write the Bible or did men write it? from what I can understand men wrote it under the guidance of God, if that's true all you have is the word of the men who wrote it that God guided their hand.

Well, that and the manuscript evidence, the archaeological evidence, the prophetic evidence, the statistical evidence, etc.

you can also say there is evidence for the intervention in history of Zeus

OK. Show us your evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

No there is no evidence of God's intervention in history,

Psalm 34:16 The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

Ecclesiastes 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

 

[AV1611VET]

A few verses mean about as much as creationists claims, nothing.

And that's exactly what you're getting ... nothing.

 

[stevevw]

I dont believe the words of Jesus that the disciples said were from someones imagination. But lets say it was, so what. Its pretty good imagining anyway. It speaks about loving people and doing the right thing. If you look at the teachings of Jesus its all good and very wise and good advice showing great insight and knowledge about living a good and healthy life. Why is that a problem, we take all our advice and directions from others now anyway and anyone that says they dont are kidding themselves. Though we think we are the Gods of our own lives we are not.

There is a 1000 and 1 things that this life tells people they have to do. There are people coming out with new and better ways to live all the time and everyone is trying a new one everyday. This idea of freedom to live as we do is over sold. I would rather take my advice and direction from someone like Jesus any day. He has already done it and lived it and set the example and millions have followed with great success. Many have changed their lives for the better. Stopped drug addiction and other horrible things in their lives and become better people. Many have gone on to help others and make their lives for the better.

So how is that all bad and what is wrong with that. If you think that people can do it without the help of some sort of example or influence then your kidding yourself. Everyone needs something they just pretend they dont. Everyone has to look to something to give them reason and direction. Many choose this world, or Hollywood idols, or fitness, or humanity, But humanity itself is a belief. But these have their downfalls. They are man made and subject to weakness and corruption and the changing winds of time. They can allow things that can weaken any foundation of strength in building a solid base for life. Thats because they are man made and we know from experience that leaving it up to what man does can always end up falling down and letting us down.

I just choose to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and there is no better way. As Jesus said.

Matthew 7:24
"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

 

[AV1611VET]

I expect nothing more because I don't suppose you have any more,

Oh ... you'll get plenty from me ... I promise.

You just won't realize it.

You'll be too busy saying I'm giving you nothing.

And for the record, when it comes to the creation week, which is my major forté, NOTHING is exactly what I bring to the table.

Specifically: creatio ex nihilo, which means creation out of NOTHING.

 

[South Bound]

he said (if the stories are to be believed) give everything away and leave your families, very wise words indeed don't you think?

So, do you think we should take the context of those statements into account at all?

 

[AV1611VET]

The people who wrote the Bible had never even met the disciples or anyone that had, all they wrote was hearsay.

If Christians followed Jesus as he wanted there would be very few Christians in the US today, he said (if the stories are to be believed) give everything away and leave your families, very wise words indeed don't you think?

I take it you have never been employed to write footnotes to Scripture?

If so, I would hate to see what type of Bible would use them.

The Scofield Bible uses C. I. Scofield's notes.

The Defender's Study Bible uses Henry Morris' notes.

I suppose the Valo Study Bible would use your notes?

 

[AV1611VET]

When you say plenty I take it you actually mean nothing, like your religion, it promises plenty but in fact gives you nothing you can't already give yourself, it just makes you think someone else is doing the giving when in fact it's you and your imagination doing it every time.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[South Bound]

What is the difference between that and all the other (wise words) statements?

Do you think we should take the context in which those statements were said into account?

 

[stevevw]

The people who wrote the Bible had never even met the disciples or anyone that had, all they wrote was hearsay.

Thats according to you. Many of the people that witnessed the events of Jesus were around for a life time and some didn't die until 60 plus years after Jesus. So dont you think that their testimony was talked about and some wrote them down. The stories about Jesus were talked about and treasured by Christians and kept alive and passed down from one to another. Its just like the stories we hear about the holocaust 70 odd years ago. People remember like it was yesterday and their testimony is believed by many.

If Christians followed Jesus as he wanted there would be very few Christians in the US today, he said (if the stories are to be believed) give everything away and leave your families, very wise words indeed don't you think?

Yes exactly that is why many who say they know Christ truly dont. The best way for Satan to attack God is within the church itself. It may not always be a case of giving everything away and following God. Obviously those who have families to look after and other responsibilities. I think Jesus was talking about being a disciple like a preacher. But certainly it is putting God before all else. So these churches that have all this money and treasures to make their buildings look grand are living for the material wealth of this world.

They could be selling this or living a humbler life and using the money to feed the many who are poor and dying. Those who are turning up to church with their flash cars and have their grand houses trying to keep up with the Jones they are living according to this world riches. They need to downsize and live a meeker life and then help the needy. So there are many religious people who are giving lip service and looking the part but are truly not living according to what Jesus said. Unfortunately they want the best of both worlds. Jesus said.

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

 

[South Bound]

You can do as you wish, for me they are just words from an old book and mean nothing in my life.

OK. If we wish to consider the context in which those statements were made, then why should we believe your rendering of them?

 

[South Bound]

Who said you should? certainly not me, you believe whatever makes you feel good and you're happy with.
I just wanted to know why you are so sure when all you have is other people's word.

Actually, what you said was "If Christians followed Jesus as he wanted there would be very few Christians in the US today, he said (if the stories are to be believed) give everything away and leave your families, very wise words indeed don't you think?", thus, implying that you believe Jesus taught that we should "give everything away and leave our families".

What I'm asking you is whether we should take the context in which those statements were made into account, or just believe your claims.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can do as you wish, for me they are just words from an old book and mean nothing in my life.

Is that why you're here?

You came here just to tell us that?

 

[Tellastory]

Did Jesus not say "give everything away and leave your families" and follow him?

Luke 14:15-33 is about believers being ready to leave this life down here when the Bridegroom comes at the pre tribulational rapture event.

Luke 14:15-24 is about people excusing themselves from the King's Supper for the cares of this life and our loved ones.

Luke 14:25-33 is Jesus expounding on that parable on how believers in seeking to be His disciples as chosen for the Marriage Supper have to be prepared to leave their lives down here when the Bridegroom comes.

Some cults have used that saying of yours to take advantage of other believers when Jesus was not really talking about how to follow Him down here in living this life, but being ready to leave this life to go Home above.

So wisdom has to come from the Lord Jesus Christ in understanding His words and finding the truth in His words that other people misapplied.

There is such a thing as a rich believer. 1 Timothy 6th chpater testifies to that. It is the love of money and desiring to be rich that causes the problem of having a spirit of covetousness wherein even when rich, they are never content nor secure, and be in danger of valuing life down here than the one above.